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To remind you there is no cap on child benefit

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TheOneWithUnagi · 22/07/2024 08:03

I see multiple threads believing that there is a 2 child cap on child benefit - there is no limit on the number of children you can claim child benefit for
I also listened to a whole LBC phone in last week where the host advocated the same thing.

The cap relates to the child element of UC and TC only. If you are eligible to claim child benefit for your first 2 children you can claim for any subsequent children as well.

This is from gov.uk

www.gov.uk/child-benefit

"There’s no limit to how many children you can claim for."

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Twinklestarhere · 01/10/2024 20:00

I been trying to tell people this for years. Child benefit does not have a 2 child cap.

ruby1957 · 22/07/2024 10:32

x2boys · 22/07/2024 10:27

I thought there were other benefits for low income families ,
What was supplementary benefits?

I don't know about other benefits as I worked full-time as a single parent but I was grateful for help like the additional personal allowance (as a single parent I had a tax allowance equivalent to a married man!) and an extra bit on my Child benefit for being a single parent. Family allowance was not normally paid for the first child.

x2boys · 22/07/2024 10:27

ruby1957 · 22/07/2024 10:25

Yes it was - maybe that is why I know it was family allowance by another name - I claimed it for my son when there was no such thing as UC!

I thought there were other benefits for low income families ,
What was supplementary benefits?

x2boys · 22/07/2024 10:25

ruby1957 · 22/07/2024 10:23

As a over 75 grandmother - I make it my business to know how things work in government - even I knew this.

It is really important that so many 'but no-one told me about this' complainers to educate themselves about how things work.

Of course lazy reporting and lack of thorough training for those who need to convey information to the masses - journalist, politicians etc - need to stop using sloppy emotive language.

Keep it simple but lay out accurate information - many have difficulty in understanding things and believe what someone on social media trots out.

Maybe MN should have an 'explanation of benefits' topic (I jest).

It might not be a bad idea tbh especially universal credit and disabilities benefits!

ruby1957 · 22/07/2024 10:25

distinctpossibility · 22/07/2024 10:19

It was renamed Child Benefit in 1977...

Yes it was - maybe that is why I know it was family allowance by another name - I claimed it for my son when there was no such thing as UC!

ruby1957 · 22/07/2024 10:23

As a over 75 grandmother - I make it my business to know how things work in government - even I knew this.

It is really important that so many 'but no-one told me about this' complainers to educate themselves about how things work.

Of course lazy reporting and lack of thorough training for those who need to convey information to the masses - journalist, politicians etc - need to stop using sloppy emotive language.

Keep it simple but lay out accurate information - many have difficulty in understanding things and believe what someone on social media trots out.

Maybe MN should have an 'explanation of benefits' topic (I jest).

distinctpossibility · 22/07/2024 10:19

It was renamed Child Benefit in 1977...

Superworm24 · 22/07/2024 10:17

I only found this out recently. The problem is the name, didn't it used to be called family allowance?

CeeJay81 · 22/07/2024 10:11

It didn't help that it was reported on the bbc as child benefit when it should have been reported as universal credit/child tax credit.

SnapdragonToadflax · 22/07/2024 10:10

Wow, thank you for this! I also consider myself fairly politically aware and up on what's going on in the world, and I had no idea.

Why on earth is this so badly reported in the media?

TheOneWithUnagi · 22/07/2024 10:06

distinctpossibility · 22/07/2024 10:04

For anyone claiming child benefit for an under 12 while also working enough hours to get NI credits, you can gift your child benefit NI credits to a nominated family member. You have to sign to say they support you with childcare, but this can be anything from a school run a week or occasional babysitting in the holidays to full-on set days with preschoolers, under the Specified Adult Childcare credit scheme.

In my case, my mum has 3 years of gaps in her NI record (though she's still under state pension age) so I give her my NI credits for doing some after school care. It's a simple form available on the gov.uk website.

I found this out recently too (on here!)
So handy to know especially as lots of grandparents help with childcare

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x2boys · 22/07/2024 10:05

Expatfamily · 22/07/2024 09:58

I have always wondered this.

Surely nobody would have extra kids for £20 a week. But also, if you can’t afford your third because you’re not getting that £20 a week, you really cannot afford that third regardless.

Again you are not understanding, you can claim child benefit for any amount of kids as long as you are under the earnings limit

It's the extra tax credit/ universal credit you can't claim for which can be worth hundreds ,not a measly £20/ week
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distinctpossibility · 22/07/2024 10:04

For anyone claiming child benefit for an under 12 while also working enough hours to get NI credits, you can gift your child benefit NI credits to a nominated family member. You have to sign to say they support you with childcare, but this can be anything from a school run a week or occasional babysitting in the holidays to full-on set days with preschoolers, under the Specified Adult Childcare credit scheme.

In my case, my mum has 3 years of gaps in her NI record (though she's still under state pension age) so I give her my NI credits for doing some after school care. It's a simple form available on the gov.uk website.

mydogisthebest · 22/07/2024 10:04

I can't believe so many people don't realise it's not about child benefit. I don't even have children and I knew about it before it came into force

Miley1967 · 22/07/2024 10:00

Expatfamily · 22/07/2024 09:58

I have always wondered this.

Surely nobody would have extra kids for £20 a week. But also, if you can’t afford your third because you’re not getting that £20 a week, you really cannot afford that third regardless.

Exactly it's nearly £300 extra UC for a third child plus child benefit so around £370 a month plus potentially extra bedroom entitlement on rent element

Expatfamily · 22/07/2024 09:58

x2boys · 22/07/2024 08:42

I know I have seen so many posters asking why people would have more children for the added child benefit
Not understanding that tax/ universal credit is significantly more than child benefit.

I have always wondered this.

Surely nobody would have extra kids for £20 a week. But also, if you can’t afford your third because you’re not getting that £20 a week, you really cannot afford that third regardless.

Miley1967 · 22/07/2024 09:56

NamelessNancy · 22/07/2024 09:36

Shocking level of misreporting on this. I wonder how many people are not claiming something they are eligible for.

Yes there must be people who think they can't claim it and can but also people are probably thinking why are the government being so stingy about not paying an extra £17 a week for a third child not realizing that it's the child element of tax credit or UC which actually is around £277 extra a month which is a big difference, especially if families are having four or five kids that could be up to an extra £900 a month on someone's UC ? People need to know understand figures that the debate is about. The government will already pay childcare costs and disability elements for unlimited children ( and rightly so), I actually don't think it's unreasonable to say no to unlimited child elements. Appreciate this thread is not a debate though .makes me wonder if all these Labour politicians calling for the cap to be lifted actually understand the sums involved or are they thinking it's just an extra £17 a week?

35965a · 22/07/2024 09:52

I think it’s really important to clarify in the media due to the implications for national insurance contributions. When you claim child benefit you automatically get your national insurance covered towards your pensions until the child is 12. This obviously impacts many women who may not work fulltime while their children are young.

It worries me that so many women don’t know this and may not be claiming child benefit for all their children. Their pensions will be wrong

Miley1967 · 22/07/2024 09:48

TheOneWithUnagi · 22/07/2024 09:37

James O’Brien did a whole phone in last week and not a single caller corrected him, they were all talking about how child benefit helped them. I texted but it didn’t get read out - maybe I should have called! He was saying “for the first child you get £26 and the maximum you can get is £42 a week.
There must be so many people not claiming who can.

Exactly. People talking about a few pounds a week when actually paying out the child element of UC is an extra almost £300 a month. Big difference !

Bankholidayhelp · 22/07/2024 09:42

It's like the electricity/gas 'cap' where some people thought that the cap was the maximum they would pay no matter how much power they used. Took months for the media to start reporting this properly.

TheOneWithUnagi · 22/07/2024 09:37

Miley1967 · 22/07/2024 09:33

I was listening to something on the news about this last week and even the journalist got it wrong going on about child benefit cap. Awful !

James O’Brien did a whole phone in last week and not a single caller corrected him, they were all talking about how child benefit helped them. I texted but it didn’t get read out - maybe I should have called! He was saying “for the first child you get £26 and the maximum you can get is £42 a week.
There must be so many people not claiming who can.

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NamelessNancy · 22/07/2024 09:36

Shocking level of misreporting on this. I wonder how many people are not claiming something they are eligible for.

howlsmovingbouncycastle · 22/07/2024 09:34

Another one here who thought they were relatively clued up on this sort of thing, but had no idea it didn’t refer to child benefit!

AnneLovesGilbert · 22/07/2024 09:33

Thank you. I’ve been saying this on every thread about the cap. The terminology is aggravating and misleading and the amounts in question are hugely different. If it was £16 a week the total wouldn’t be over £3billion!

Miley1967 · 22/07/2024 09:33

35965a · 22/07/2024 08:09

So many posts on this on threads get it so wrong, banging on about actual child benefit when they mean universal credit/tax credit cap. I think the government and media need to change how they talk about it. Like ‘universal credit child cap’ or something.

I was listening to something on the news about this last week and even the journalist got it wrong going on about child benefit cap. Awful !