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Are you twins? The excuse she needs.

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Spacespice · 21/07/2024 10:02

Name changed to protect identity.

I have a sister who is 12 months younger than me. It’s true that we look similar. Same blonde hair, same brown eyes. I don’t really see anything else that is the same. I’m also about 5 shades lighter than her, as she is more olive toned and I’m fair.

It seems people fall into two camps:
1: Oh my god are you twins
2: You two look nothing alike

The people in camp 1 really piss me off, because my sister is a big girl. Size 24 and carries it on her stomach, neck and tops of arms/legs. I am a size 10-12.

And whilst she has an issue with food, I, knowing I also carry the weight gain gene, make a conscious effort to stay in shape for my height of 5’8. Oh I’m also about 4 inches taller than my sister.

If they said ‘hey, you guys look really similar, you share the same hair/eyes/lips/teeth/insert other feature here’ well that’s not a problem. I think she’s gorgeous.

But twins? Really?

It really triggers my annoyance, probably more so because she responds by looking us both up and down and saying ‘I can’t need to lose that much then’ but she does, she doesn’t see how big she’s getting! And I’m terrified because she isn’t healthy and it might not sound like it from this post, but I love her. I want her to lose weight.

For information. I don’t tell her she needs to lose weight. I just say things like ‘Hey want to come to the gym with me?’ Or ‘Oh I have this recipe for a delicious meal; it’s super light too! Wanna come over and try it?’ Or even ‘Fancy walking in the Forest with me, I’m a bit scared to do it on my own’.

Advice appreciated and if I’m being a brat, you can let me know.

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Princessfluffy · 24/07/2024 08:10

"she doesn’t see how big she’s getting!"

Trust me she does OP. She is a size 24. You probably annoy the hell out of her because she knows you want her to lose weight even if you are "subtle" about it.

Just be a loving supportive sister to her. If she wants your help on an exercise programme or diet she will ask for it. Quit with your "subtle" suggestions. She is not stupid, she knows what they mean.

elliejjtiny · 24/07/2024 01:35

Well non identical twins just look like siblings anyway so unless there is a massive age gap then most adult siblings could look like twins. I don't look like either of my siblings but my dc all look quite alike, especially ds3 and ds5.

TheOriginalEmu · 24/07/2024 01:15

TimeandMotion · 21/07/2024 12:11

Has it occurred to you that there might be far more overweight people if some people hadn’t ben honest with their overweight loved ones? You can’t tell though, can you, because the ones for whom it worked are no longer visibly underweight.

I’ve already been clear that I don’t advocate “helpful hints” pussyfooting anyway.

Just because you were the type to double down and reframe people’s concerns as attacks, gossip and judgment that doesn’t mean that it won’t work for others.

Of course it hasn’t, because it’s not true. There are countless studies and case profiles full of people who are still fat, who are less fat and aren’t at all fat anymore that will all tell you the same thing. It doesn’t work.
I also never said I took it as an attack, I know they weren’t attacking me, but that doesn’t make you feel any less shit about yourself. It simply does not work as a method to get people to lose weight and maintain it. That has to come from inside. You fundamentally don’t understand how obesity works.
you don’t have to pussy foot around either, you could just mind your business.

seedsandseeds · 21/07/2024 23:52

Wimberry · 21/07/2024 10:14

Why on earth would you think a difference in weight should mean that you couldn't be twins?

Clearly only one of you got the intelligence gene.

😁

RandomUsernameHere · 21/07/2024 16:58

They're probably saying twins because you are very close in age, not necessarily because they think you look very similar. Non-identical twins are no more genetically alike than any other siblings.

JohnTheRevelator · 21/07/2024 16:56

It sounds as if you don't like your sister very much.

TimeandMotion · 21/07/2024 16:43

It's really patronizing to say - oh do you know that you're eating too much, and moving too little? Do you know that being obese is bad for your health?

Why would any conversation start by stating the bleeding obvious like that? Of course that’s guaranteed to piss someone off.

Equally, the pp who is jumping from “have a conversation” to “mention her weight every time you speak to her” doesn’t really have much of a sense of how reasonable, sensitive human beings interact with their loved ones.

As it so happens, my husband and I are both in the obese BMI category and are working towards losing 2 stone each that has crept on to us both in 10 years of marriage, principally to look after our health for the sake of our DS. We have been honest with each other and it’s been hugely important. I can’t actually remember which one of us raised the issue first, but it is a powerful motivator to think about the effect on your family if you die prematurely. And, going back to my original post, I can always rely on my brother to tell it like it is. He doesn’t criticise me, he offers me tips from his own experience of keeping his weight under control. Don’t mind that one bit.

retinolalcohol · 21/07/2024 15:02

TimeandMotion · 21/07/2024 13:53

To the previous two posters, I am not talking about a “tough love” approach or the snide comments of random people. I am talking about sensitively but straightforwardly-expressed concern by a close relative.

To those who insist that people need to be left alone to decide they want to lose weight, what exactly is it that makes you wake up one day and decide unilaterally? For a lot of people that day will never come. Don’t people ever make decisions based on discussions with people they trust?

Yep my mum no doubt meant well with her comments.

For me it was realising, on my own, that I was out of breath walking up a long fight of stairs. So I started a physical hobby and went to the gym.

I agree that for a lot of people, the lightbulb might never flick on. By mentioning it you're not achieving anything, though, in the vast majority of cases. They already know. The media has told them, their doctor has likely told them, they see it in the mirror, they see calories on menus. Information on diet and exercise is readily accessible online.
It's really patronizing to say - oh do you know that you're eating too much, and moving too little? Do you know that being obese is bad for your health?

Barring learning disabilities, THEY KNOW. They're not children. It's ultimately their choice, and if they wanted to/were able to make that choice it would've already been made.

Harping on about it just makes them dislike themselves, you, or both. Disliking your body is never a good place to come from in terms of making changes. It's easy enough for a fit person to go to the gym and take up space - someone who has been repeatedly told that their body is bad from people they love/trust, less so. I've experienced this first hand, and if I've gained weight one month I actually find it HARDER to get motivated to go to the gym - because even though I'm healthy weight now, I have significant psychological scars around 'being acceptable' and fitting in

Didimum · 21/07/2024 14:26

Posting concerned about a loved one’s weight is one thing, OP, but beginning your whole post by being pissed off that you are being to compared to someone overweight is just gross. Have a word with yourself.

KnitFastDieWarm · 21/07/2024 14:26

Good God, imagine being compared to a fat person!

As we all know, all fat people are unattractive, lazy, deeply unhappy with themselves, and desperate to be slender and beautiful like you. I imagine your sister wakes up every day wishing she was more like you. I mean, how could she possibly be happy living in a fat body? It’s scientifically proven that fat people are sexless, ugly, lazy, and miserable - every single one of them. There are definitely no beautiful, confident, happy fat people (let alone fat WOMEN) out there. Oh no.

Thoughts and prayers, OP.

GingerPirate · 21/07/2024 14:22

Thefanofdoom · 21/07/2024 10:19

There is clearly some messed up dynamics in your family if you're all overweight and judge each other so harshly on your appearance. Your DSIS is probably binge eating as a coping mechanism for all of the unresolved family trauma. And you're codependent to be so enmeshed in her weight and appearance.

You all need therapy.

The OP doesn't sound overweight, in fact she's almost identical height/conventional size as me.
You feel the way you feel.
Guess I welcome myself to the "overweight club".
😁

Hasbean2 · 21/07/2024 14:21

It's also worth saying that when I was losing weight the people that i felt comfortable getting support from, exercising with etc were rarely the people who mentioned my weight. The people that did, I either wanted to completely hide from until I felt socially acceptable, or were unable to actually help because they just wanted to make obvious eat less comments. Fat people know about the existence of salads.

Rapid weightless, caused by drastic diets (which for me were always the result of deepshame) are so very rarely successful. The times where I listened, I went holy shit I must change this now, pushed me into extreme diets rather than the actual just moving more, eating less type style

taylorswift1989 · 21/07/2024 14:03

TimeandMotion · 21/07/2024 13:53

To the previous two posters, I am not talking about a “tough love” approach or the snide comments of random people. I am talking about sensitively but straightforwardly-expressed concern by a close relative.

To those who insist that people need to be left alone to decide they want to lose weight, what exactly is it that makes you wake up one day and decide unilaterally? For a lot of people that day will never come. Don’t people ever make decisions based on discussions with people they trust?

Have you ever lost a large amount of weight? Say 2 or 3 stones or more? An amount that would move you from 'obese' to 'average'?

If not, then I don't think you have any idea about the messages coming to fat people all day every day. People don't need to be told they're fat and it's bad for them - because they get that message ALL THE FUCKING TIME.

What fat people need are people in their lives who know when to shut the fuck up about their weight and their body and their health and their wellbeing. Prove yourself to be a good friend, a supportive person, a safe person by caring about your friends and family no matter their size. Then if they need support with losing weight, maybe they'll come to you. But they still probably won't. Because if you're thin and judgemental, why would they? They will deal with their weight, one way or another, without you.

I appreciate that people like you mean well. But the shame that you bring to fat people is so painful. The best thing you can do is stick to a strict policy of 'your body, your choice' and remember that they are going through stuff you literally have NO idea about.

Hasbean2 · 21/07/2024 13:59

TimeandMotion · 21/07/2024 13:53

To the previous two posters, I am not talking about a “tough love” approach or the snide comments of random people. I am talking about sensitively but straightforwardly-expressed concern by a close relative.

To those who insist that people need to be left alone to decide they want to lose weight, what exactly is it that makes you wake up one day and decide unilaterally? For a lot of people that day will never come. Don’t people ever make decisions based on discussions with people they trust?

No mine came mostly from my family. Well meaning but constant so I felt too big to exist really. No one was screaming or shouting, just having frequent quiet words that made me feel like I couldn't just be around them

It's like if people felt like you needed a nose job and repetitively mentioned it to you. The nose is on your face, you know it and It people shuts down. People know how risky being fat it, I felt the impact of my weight on every movement.

For me it was about learning to be comfortable with me as I was. That was when I moved into a relationship where I didn't feel ugly or that I need to worry about being too big

Feeling confident in my skin gave me the option of doing things like swimming. I could start loving the body I was in rather than try and punish it

Before I was made to feel like my body was slowly suffocating me and that I couldn't exercise because people would be repulsed, or be staring at me

TimeandMotion · 21/07/2024 13:53

To the previous two posters, I am not talking about a “tough love” approach or the snide comments of random people. I am talking about sensitively but straightforwardly-expressed concern by a close relative.

To those who insist that people need to be left alone to decide they want to lose weight, what exactly is it that makes you wake up one day and decide unilaterally? For a lot of people that day will never come. Don’t people ever make decisions based on discussions with people they trust?

Hasbean2 · 21/07/2024 13:35

TimeandMotion · 21/07/2024 12:32

Also struggling to understand the mental gymnastics involved in having someone say “You matter to me so much and I’m worried that you will die a premature death” and turning that into “I’m worthless”.

It’s literally the opposite of what is being said.

On the other hand, if you know you are putting your health at risk and nobody close to you ever says a thing about it, stands to reason you’d conclude they don’t care much about you at all.

Because imagine you've got something you're self conscious about, and imagine everytime you go somewhere people comment on it.
What it does is cause people to be ashamed and want to hide away

For someone like me constant comments on weight, just make me want to hide away. It took me a long time to feel confident to exercise because I felt I was too fat to exercise. As per the previous suggestions I wasn't going to get in a swim suit because I felt too big, especially not in front of the person that keeps pointing it out. Exercising etc is vulnerable, you're out of puff, bright red, unfit and clearly all wobbly. I don't want to do that if i feel self conscious
For many people, there's an emotional component to over eating. Making someone feel shameful is likely to encourage comfort binging in private

A huge deal for me was learning to eat in public. I grew up with a lot of scrutiny around what I ate, or just a lot of comments like "woah that's a huge portion", "sure you need all that sauce?", "a salad would be nice and light". This pushed me into secret eating, I felt as a fat person eating in public I was too on show, too open for wellmeaning comments, so would binge in private. Doing stuff like eating a normal lunch at work of normal portion sizes, was what I needed and is now really helpful. Weirdly once I lost the weight people stop commenting so I could do it, but it was a vicious cycle when I was big.

What I needed was to embrace myself as I was, stop waiting to be thinner to do exercise and stop thinking about my weight. Once my confidence grew I wanted to do stuff like walk more, spend time with friends and family. All stuff we know is part of the long term cycle of weight management

retinolalcohol · 21/07/2024 13:10

I lived with a 'tough love' kind of mum, who would feel the need to tell me I'd gained weight - as though I didn't already know.

Didn't magically make me skinnier. Just made me dislike her!

retinolalcohol · 21/07/2024 13:08

To be honest I think your OP reads like you are disgusted people would compare you to her because she is fat.

My sister is 15 years older than me, at times has had completely different hair colour, and people still refer to us as 'looking exactly the same!!!' because we have a similar facial structure, same eyes, similar height. I don't then become angry because I somehow infer that people are calling me old.

It's possible to look very similar to your sister whilst she's overweight and you're not. You need to work on your self esteem if such an innocuous comment is affecting you in this way.

Oh, and no overweight person ever turned their life around because of other people's comments/'helpful' tips. They have to want to do it themselves.

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TimeandMotion · 21/07/2024 12:32

Also struggling to understand the mental gymnastics involved in having someone say “You matter to me so much and I’m worried that you will die a premature death” and turning that into “I’m worthless”.

It’s literally the opposite of what is being said.

On the other hand, if you know you are putting your health at risk and nobody close to you ever says a thing about it, stands to reason you’d conclude they don’t care much about you at all.

TimeandMotion · 21/07/2024 12:11

TheOriginalEmu · 21/07/2024 11:48

The thing is this. If family member’s and their concerned ‘helpful’ hints worked? There would be way fewer fat people. When fat people are telling you that it doesn’t work, that it just fat people feel like shit don’t you think you/the world in general should listen to them?
I only lost some weight when I decided I was worth it. And being constantly reminded I was fat and people making comments where they’d clearly been talking about me behind my back did nothing to make me feel worth it. It’s that simple.

Has it occurred to you that there might be far more overweight people if some people hadn’t ben honest with their overweight loved ones? You can’t tell though, can you, because the ones for whom it worked are no longer visibly underweight.

I’ve already been clear that I don’t advocate “helpful hints” pussyfooting anyway.

Just because you were the type to double down and reframe people’s concerns as attacks, gossip and judgment that doesn’t mean that it won’t work for others.

taylorswift1989 · 21/07/2024 12:11

TheSerenePinkOrca · 21/07/2024 11:25

Not at all. You are manipulating what I am saying.

This has been scientifically researched. Various scientific articles on how the role of skin colour plays a part in facial recognition. Those classified as having African were far better at facial recognition than those classified as white Caucasian.

There is even research showing discrimination in facial recognition technology against black young females!

I'm not remotely manipulating what you're saying. You said that your black colleague with Afro hair is better at noticing/describing facial features than most, and this is because people from families with the same hair and skin colour are better at doing this.

I pointed out that in MOST families, people have the same hair and skin colour, and your comment sounds like you think only black people do. It made me wonder if you think all black people look the same.

Now you're saying that's not what you meant. Just that Africans are better at facial recognition than Caucasians, apparently, according to research. So (assuming that's true) what's that got to do with people coming from families with the same hair/skin colour?

You might think you're making sense, but I promise you you're really not.

oObyeOo · 21/07/2024 12:06

DisplayPurposesOnly · 21/07/2024 10:06

You are being a brat, and clearly have weight issues.

Is it called a weight issue when you’re concerned about an overweight relative? Or want to keep yourself slim?

taylorswift1989 · 21/07/2024 12:06

Spacespice · 21/07/2024 11:24

As hard as it’s been to hear, I have no choice but to take on board what’s been said and reflect on my own relationship with weight.

I accept that there may be some truths that I haven’t admitted to myself around the comparison, and that stems from my own prejudice, probably from being a fat child who was bullied due to weight. Now it seems I’m making the same mistake.

Thank you all for input, both supportive and the vast majority of tellings off, which I accept. I can’t take back what I’ve thought, said or done, but I can aim to be a bit more compassionate going forward.

I apologise to anyone who has been hurt or offended by my original post.

I think this is a great response, OP. Work on being a safe person for your sister to be around, and also on learning to value yourself beyond what you look like. Also a great thing to do if you have kids - model that self love and acceptance of others that makes life so much better.

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