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Do you believe the universe tries to tell us things

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Astarthatshinesforyou · 20/07/2024 20:27

And it tries to push us in another direction or gives hints of it?
Currently live abroad, but for a while it feels everything has been against us-not keen on the schools, had money struggles, now lots of ill health and people passing in the family.
I often wonder if it’s just telling us to give up, go back home.
Have you ever felt like this? Do you fight against it or leave things to fate?

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BibbleandSqwauk · 21/07/2024 00:44

FinalCeleryScheme · 21/07/2024 00:29

That is so cool. Genuinely wish I was a theologian.

Don't think I've ever heard it described as cool before!! It's fascinating.. especially to an atheist like me. It's a huge mix of sociology, psychology, history, philosophy and the obvious theology. It has very little to do with practising faith though and I'm not qualified to talk about anyone's personal experience of prayer or what faith does for them. I don't think it "works" on a logical level or philosophical one, but that doesn't mean faith in itself is wrong as such.

6underground · 21/07/2024 00:44

I don’t really understand what people mean when they say “the universe” in this context as if it is a sentient thing. Seems like it is just a substitute for God, for people who are “spiritual” as opposed to religious.
Anyway, no I don’t think the universe is a sentient being that controls us or tries to communicate with us.

SnowFrogJelly · 21/07/2024 00:35

What's it trying to tell us..

FinalCeleryScheme · 21/07/2024 00:29

BibbleandSqwauk · 21/07/2024 00:13

Subjugate, appease, beg, bargain. Ignore the hard questions with "it's all God's plan". I'm a theologian. I study and teach this. None of the philosophical or theological attempts to answer either the evidential or logical problem of evil work. As pp upthread said...the idea that life is easy if you're "good" and hard if you're not if incredibly problematic and frankly offensive.

That is so cool. Genuinely wish I was a theologian.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 21/07/2024 00:24

Do you believe the universe tries to tell us things

Nope, not in any way at all.

I believe in coincidences, or more precisely, the fact that human brains tend towards seeing patterns that don't exist, and mistakenly link consequence with entirely unrelated cause, but the idea that the universe is not only aware of your individual existence, but actively communicates with you as if it somehow cares about your existence is nonsense.

We're a species of pointless, sentient beings inhabiting a rock that could be obliterated tomorrow and the Universe would carry on regardless. It really isn't any more complex than that, so I see no reason to try and add totally unnecessary complications that just pose more and more irreconcilable quandries.

If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, sometimes it is indeed just a bog standard duck.

Coughsweet · 21/07/2024 00:23

Maybe at the life stage you currently are at, being where you are is causing problems from a practical point of view. Would it be easier if you made fundamental changes or lead to more problems further down the line?

BubblegumLolly · 21/07/2024 00:19

Of course it does. Things happen FOR you, not TO you.

malificent7 · 21/07/2024 00:18

I think that buddism is the closest religion that I have found to explain the universe.
Buddhists focus on inpermanence....change is inevitable...including death. The universe is in a state of constant change or impermanence. Change causes suffering. If we can embrace impermanence and change, even death then we can reduce suffering.

I am sorry for all those who have lost loved ones though. I don't think any religion can help with that tbh.

BibbleandSqwauk · 21/07/2024 00:13

Screamingabdabz · 21/07/2024 00:01

YANBU.

What you call the ‘universe’ I call God. And when we are on the right path for us, things are easy. Doors open. Opportunities and chance meetings happen. Life happens. When we are not on the right path, things are difficult and we feel like we are walking through mud.

I know this makes people angry because how can tragic and awful things happen if it’s ’God’s plan’? Well no one knows. Faith and the meaning of life is a mystery that we don’t understand.

But the answer is to ask the universe what the right way foward is. Pray. Listen. Follow.

Subjugate, appease, beg, bargain. Ignore the hard questions with "it's all God's plan". I'm a theologian. I study and teach this. None of the philosophical or theological attempts to answer either the evidential or logical problem of evil work. As pp upthread said...the idea that life is easy if you're "good" and hard if you're not if incredibly problematic and frankly offensive.

malificent7 · 21/07/2024 00:10

I think that there is great meaning to the universe...it is miraculous. No clue at all what that meaning is but it is there!
I think that it is when we ignore that gut feeling or what the universe tries to tell us thrn we run into trouble.

Screamingabdabz · 21/07/2024 00:01

YANBU.

What you call the ‘universe’ I call God. And when we are on the right path for us, things are easy. Doors open. Opportunities and chance meetings happen. Life happens. When we are not on the right path, things are difficult and we feel like we are walking through mud.

I know this makes people angry because how can tragic and awful things happen if it’s ’God’s plan’? Well no one knows. Faith and the meaning of life is a mystery that we don’t understand.

But the answer is to ask the universe what the right way foward is. Pray. Listen. Follow.

Gingernaut · 20/07/2024 23:59

If the Cosmos is trying to tell me something, I've not heard a peep

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 20/07/2024 23:57

No.

DaemonMoon · 20/07/2024 23:55

Likely no. But I am an arrogant human who believes I am the highest life form and understands the way life works.

But, we have been around for such a short amount of time. We believe we are the centre of everything which restricts our thinking. We have no idea. Absolutely none. We invented science and we make it bend within the rules we understand. Humans do not understand billions years of existence. So who knows.

BibbleandSqwauk · 20/07/2024 23:48

BellesAndGraces · 20/07/2024 22:48

And this is exactly why I don’t believe that things happen for a reason. But we can’t wish those things away because to do so could change everything. The fact that your grandparents died young could have led to your father making choices that brought him to your mother and resulted in your birth.

Ok, but so what? Someone else would have been born. I had kids with someone who turned out in the long term to be an arse, putting it mildly. It really winds me up when people try to say "but if you hadn't known him you wouldn't have had your beautiful DCs.." well no, but I'd have had kids with someone else and they'd have been amazing too, and I wouldnt have known the first pair.

All this naval gazing about meaning is so time-wasting. There's a great Terry Pratchett quote about "if you believe in your dreams and follow your heart you'll still get beaten by the person who got their head down and worked hard". Something like that.

BellesAndGraces · 20/07/2024 22:48

ScentlessAprentice · 20/07/2024 22:16

@PassingStranger Oh do you? Great, you must have some insight. Why did my father's parents die when he was a teenager, both in the space of 8 months? Why did my best friend die from Leukaemia at 17? Why did someone very beloved to me die an agonising death in their 30s? Why do I have a load of fucking shitty health problems that will shorten my life, and cause me pain every day? What life lesson should I learn?

And this is exactly why I don’t believe that things happen for a reason. But we can’t wish those things away because to do so could change everything. The fact that your grandparents died young could have led to your father making choices that brought him to your mother and resulted in your birth.

XChrome · 20/07/2024 22:46

Ihopeithinkiknow · 20/07/2024 22:15

I agree with this lol I have had the worst 2 years of my life with my son dying in 2022 and my partner dying in feb this year and shit certainly does happen. It could be worse but it could be better.

OMG. So sorry for that.

candycane222 · 20/07/2024 22:45

Round3HereWeGo · 20/07/2024 20:59

No. The universe isn't thinking about me or anyone else.

Quite

Pastlast · 20/07/2024 22:44

I reckon Trump must be thinking that about now.

BellesAndGraces · 20/07/2024 22:44

I don’t believe that the universe is trying to tell us something or that things happen for a reason. I believe that that every action or event has both a positive and negative impact on our life. It’s up to us to try and find the joy and positives in the things that happen. Whether you decide to stay or go will have both a positive and negative impact on your life. Try to commit to a decision and, once you have made that decision, commit to finding the good in it.

WildLemur · 20/07/2024 22:37

No, I think that smacks of privilege and a massive ego.

DameKatyDenisesClagnuts · 20/07/2024 22:35

Erm, nope. That's ridiculous

5128gap · 20/07/2024 22:33

No. I think things happen sometimes due to our own actions, like we move somewhere and it turns out to have bad points, or randomly, like someone becomes ill or dies. I think we process these events in our minds and make decisions based on them. If you are feeling like you want to give up and go home its because you think in light of the disadvantages about where you live now, you'd be better off at home. It's not 'the universe' talking, it's your own mind reacting entirely normally to your situation. Now all you need to do is put it to work and reflect on the pros and cons of going home and choose.

Meadowwild · 20/07/2024 22:20

Roundeartheratchriatmas · 20/07/2024 21:20

The only thing I think the universe tells me is that I deserve another biscuit.

Infallible proof that it does indeed speak to us.

LightDrizzle · 20/07/2024 22:17

No.

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