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To think my DD17 is overthinking her bf's porn watching

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Thegreatprocrastinator001 · 20/07/2024 13:20

So my DD has been with her bf for 2 years and they are close but also have their own social lives. They're due to go abroad together to stay with family in a week. Today DD is saying she won't go and never wants to speak to him again bc she found out, but checking account histories, that at he looked up porn after she'd told him he shouldn't as it makes her insecure. I get she's annoyed that he lied but she's saying it's like cheating, that she can't trust him and she wants to break up with him. I know porn in general is exploitative with negative messages about sex but I really feel she doesn't appreciate most boys do look up porn - girls too probably - and that it could just be about sexual curiosity.

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Megifer · 20/07/2024 18:54

OptimismvsRealism · 20/07/2024 18:46

I mean maybe they don't like sex at all. I don't really think people with a big array of Rules are very fun in general.

You know this is just one rule, right?

You seem to really lack imagination in some aspects yet have a wild one in others.

blackcherryconserve · 20/07/2024 18:52

DonnaBanana · 20/07/2024 18:50

He’s a child, he’s as much a victim as anyone else in this situation and should be getting help not judgment

How is he a victim? Seriously!

DonnaBanana · 20/07/2024 18:50

He’s a child, he’s as much a victim as anyone else in this situation and should be getting help not judgment

C0rdeliaChase · 20/07/2024 18:50

OptimismvsRealism · 20/07/2024 18:46

I mean maybe they don't like sex at all. I don't really think people with a big array of Rules are very fun in general.

Are you in a monogamous relationship?

C0rdeliaChase · 20/07/2024 18:49

OptimismvsRealism · 20/07/2024 18:46

I mean maybe they don't like sex at all. I don't really think people with a big array of Rules are very fun in general.

And what possible reason could there be for a woman to not like sex at all? Hmmm it's a mystery, isn't it?

minnieot · 20/07/2024 18:48

If that's a boundary that they have agreed upon, she's absolutely doing the right thing standing her ground and you should be very proud of her. She shouldn't have to settle for less just because "most boys do it"

OptimismvsRealism · 20/07/2024 18:46

C0rdeliaChase · 20/07/2024 18:45

You don't believe women who say they don't like porn, really? JFC! I think women who claim to "like" porn are brainwashed saddos but hey...

I mean maybe they don't like sex at all. I don't really think people with a big array of Rules are very fun in general.

C0rdeliaChase · 20/07/2024 18:46

OptimismvsRealism · 20/07/2024 18:04

Ok that is super odd

It's really not. What IS odd is claiming to not believe any woman can not like porn.

mathanxiety · 20/07/2024 18:45

Thegreatprocrastinator001 · 20/07/2024 18:41

I'm saying exploitation exists everywhere and we don't have to pin our flags to just one type. Ideally we would all take a stand against all forms of it. Gold mining for example is linked to all types of exploitation, including the trafficking of girls for sexual exploitation into the jungle for the employees of the mines. I stand by that some people ignore the types of exploitation they are party to whilst being outraged by others.

The point is that your daughter asked him to respect her and he refused.

You can waffle all you want about relative evils, blah, blah blah. None of it changes the fact that he decided to disrespect her and she stood up for herself.

C0rdeliaChase · 20/07/2024 18:45

OptimismvsRealism · 20/07/2024 18:03

I think porn is amazing for women too. I don't really believe women who say they don't like it - there's something for everyone. But we are talking about whether it's realistic that men don't like it. It isn't.

You don't believe women who say they don't like porn, really? JFC! I think women who claim to "like" porn are brainwashed saddos but hey...

mathanxiety · 20/07/2024 18:42

You need to give yourself a kick in the pants and back up your daughter.

Her so-called boyfriend is trying to break down a serious boundary of hers, and she has stood up to him. Yet you think she's being unreasonable?

Support your daughter. Be proud of her for having a backbone, and the wisdom to realise that she deserves better than a boy who has no respect for either himself or for her.

Thegreatprocrastinator001 · 20/07/2024 18:41

ColinMyWifeBridgerton · 20/07/2024 18:23

The "well other forms of exploitation exist" arguement is a weird one, too. I once got into this argument with a potential date who was a vegetarian. I found it offensive that he cared more about the exploitation of animals than human women. He found it unbelievable that I would care so much about women's sexual exploitation, but not at all about the life and suffering of fellow creatures. Different forms of exploitation don't balance each other out, but I've got no time for the ones that equate women to animals or the climate.

I'm saying exploitation exists everywhere and we don't have to pin our flags to just one type. Ideally we would all take a stand against all forms of it. Gold mining for example is linked to all types of exploitation, including the trafficking of girls for sexual exploitation into the jungle for the employees of the mines. I stand by that some people ignore the types of exploitation they are party to whilst being outraged by others.

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C0rdeliaChase · 20/07/2024 18:41

shuggles · 20/07/2024 17:44

No, but you have to have a grown-up attitude and accept that people are different, and just because someone might look at porn does not mean they are cheating, or unfaithful, or that they don't love their partner.

Better to be accepting of a man who watches porn than to end up with one of those weird, effeminate, progressive feminist men who pretends that they do not watch porn and they find it unethical, but it turns out they secretly do watch porn and they are dishonest in a myriad of other ways.

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This is such a strange and quite frankly depressing look at humanity.

@shuggles A grown up attitude would be accepting that there are people out there who consider porn cheating and find it unacceptable in a relationship. Far better to be single than with a man who gets his rocks off wanking to what is either underage girls or women being raped!

You're not a "cool girl" just because you "like" porn.

Megifer · 20/07/2024 18:39

swimlyn · 20/07/2024 18:33

Is it time to leave the Tate subscribers to it now?

No we've not had "but the women are paid a lot and treated very well" on the misandry bingo card yet.

CopperNanoTubes · 20/07/2024 18:38

I know porn in general is exploitative with negative messages about sex but I really feel she doesn't appreciate most boys do look up porn

Wow. What a low bar to set for your daughter!
YABVU.

C0rdeliaChase · 20/07/2024 18:36

OptimismvsRealism · 20/07/2024 18:01

... You'd divorce your husband for watching porn?

I'd divorce mine. Surely you wouldn't stay with someone who cheated on you?

swimlyn · 20/07/2024 18:33

Is it time to leave the Tate subscribers to it now?

SoreAndTired1 · 20/07/2024 18:27

shuggles · 20/07/2024 17:44

Wanking.

Um.... you don't need porn to wank! 🙄

blackcherryconserve · 20/07/2024 18:26

YABVVU. In your place I would be proud of her and be supportive. She is making the right decision FOR HER.

SoreAndTired1 · 20/07/2024 18:25

shuggles · 20/07/2024 17:35

Some women on here want men who have a high sex drive so that they find them attractive and initiate relationships with them, but they also want these same men to have low sex drives so they won't watch porn. The contradiction goes completely over their heads.

Men who have a high sex drive can get themselves off without watching porn, you know....

ColinMyWifeBridgerton · 20/07/2024 18:23

The "well other forms of exploitation exist" arguement is a weird one, too. I once got into this argument with a potential date who was a vegetarian. I found it offensive that he cared more about the exploitation of animals than human women. He found it unbelievable that I would care so much about women's sexual exploitation, but not at all about the life and suffering of fellow creatures. Different forms of exploitation don't balance each other out, but I've got no time for the ones that equate women to animals or the climate.

Megifer · 20/07/2024 18:22

shuggles · 20/07/2024 18:14

@Megifer To clarify, he'd be the one ending the family.

What? So if he viewed porn, he would go to you afterwards and say the relationship is over..?

Come to think of it i'm not sure he could anyway if he wanted to 🤣 he couldn't use his phone for it, he doesnt have a tablet, no laptop, can't use the kids ipad, can't use mine......

He owns a dumb phone?

And there's no possibility then that he's looking at dirty magazines? You know, what all men did before internet access was ubiquitous?

He'd be the one ending things because he'd have done something he knows is unacceptable to me.

No his phone is a smartphone. He just can't use it for anything other than work and calls/whatsapp

Dirty magazines 🤣🤣🤣 good one. I dont even know how I'd feel about those tbh, apart from wondering if I'd been transported back to 1985.

CurlewKate · 20/07/2024 18:20

@shuggles "I don't believe there is any way to guarantee that 100%. Same for the clothes I buy and electronics I use"

When it comes to clothes and electronics and other consumer goods many of us try very hard to proceed as ethically as possible. And there are some people in the industry trying too. Very little sign of porn users and porn producers moving in that direction. Also. Clothes and food are essential. Porn isn't.

Maddy70 · 20/07/2024 18:19

I agree with you OP but ....shes allowed to have her red lines and it doesn't have anything to do with you

Thegreatprocrastinator001 · 20/07/2024 18:15

Thank you everyone for posting; it has sparked some really thought-provoking debate. Thanks especially to those who posted without being insulting as I think the thread has demonstrated that there's no clear consensus and everyone's opinion is valid. Those who posted judgemental or snidey comments to me or other posters stilt the discussion but I've been interested to read the views of others and it has helped me find a balanced narrative I think.
Just to clarify, I'd never seek to impose my views upon my daughter who has - to her credit - her own developed sense of morality which we don't have to agree on. I'm proud that she's mature enough to want to discuss this sensitive topic with me - I'm sure there are many things she also keeps private and that's fine. Personally and from reading the views of others I can see various points of view. Regarding the bf we know him well and he is very respectful thoughtful and caring from what we can see. She is too. They have a generally honest and open relationship (until now maybe!) and I'm pretty sure this isn't a case of him being addicted to porn or even using it regularly - she saw he had gone on some site since she had told him she doesn't like it. They are not sexually intimate which is her choice and he is fine with this (rightly so, obv). But I guess this might be one reason she feels insecure. I do worry about young people tracking each other, checking each other's phones etc as they are not learning the tricky area of trust like this and as some have pointed out, we are all entitled to privacy. I also think it's important for young people to be able to talk to parents about sensitive issues because there are so many distorted messages out there, especially on social media, and this may well be one root of insecurity too. Personally I'm glad my DD can raise her worries with me. I have not given her any kind of judgement from my side or imposed any view but I wanted to ensure she was considering other perspectives too before she throws away what until now has been a very important relationship for her. Of course whatever she decides is her choice and I'd never make her feel bad for having principles or making her own decisions (unlike some posters on here!)
On the subject of exploitation I agree that it is an exploitative industry and that it promotes a distorted view of sex but! I really agreed with posters who pointed out the hyprocrasy of some.. Exploitation is everywhere. The gold on your wedding rings comes often from horrific exploitation for example. Clothes too. The meat and dairy industries are exploitative of animals on a global scale and linked to much cruelty. We - especially in industrialised countries - continue to exploit the planet to the detriment of entire populations. And every time you read about youth violence or drug running I can almost guarantee that those kids (that many would villify) are being exploitated in some way or another, and mistreated by the adults around them who in turn were probably also victimised and traumatised as children. Not to detract from their responsibility for their actions, but just to illustrate the point that we turn a blind eye to a lot of exploitation. But these are not popular issues to consider - perhaps because they are too close to home.
My DD hasn't yet made up her mind about what to do and she's feeling miserable but I'm sure she'll work through it, and consider all angles. It's been really helpful to read all the comments and it has left me unsure still but definitely with the benefit of more points of view. V thought provoking. 1..should she be insisting on checking his phone? (I don't think so personally) 2.. Either way he shouldn't have lied and if they've agreed a certain boundary he should stick to it 3.. I agree she needs to work on her self esteem 4... I AM proud of her in so many ways 5... Porn is often exploitative and misrepresentative, perhaps damaging if used excessively (I don't think this is the case here) but it's also popular and here to stay. It's also only one of many areas of exploitation in our world and 6.. I'm quite shocked about the rude tone of some posters. Thank you so much for others who have been respectful in giving their opinions and some even for challenging the rudeness of others. MN should be for respectful advice, opinion and debate, and not a means for some people to be sanctimonious and devaluing of the voices of others. But honestly thank you so much to everyone else for taking the time to give your views... It has definitely been helpful for me

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