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diamonds are so pointless

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combinationpadlock · 20/07/2024 12:50

why are they valued so highly? Because they look nice? Other things look nice without the price tag, and without the massive industrial scale mining, and human cost of lives spent in mines.

Do you wear them? Why? Do you think this is a sexist issue? men mostly mine them and women mostly wear them. Why do so many millions of man hours go into something to adorn women?

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SiobhanSharpe · 20/07/2024 16:17

I inherited my late DM’s diamond solitaire ring (1.7 cwt) and absolutely love it. I wear it almost every day and always think of her when I do.

I think she’d be pleased.

PickAChew · 20/07/2024 16:11

I was with you on the first paragraph but from your second paragraph, it's clear that your agenda has nothing to do with diamonds.

Sunnyandsilly · 20/07/2024 16:10

FinalCeleryScheme · 20/07/2024 16:08

I don’t get this. If you can make a diamond in the lab it’s every bit a real diamond as one hacked out of the ground.

It’s like saying that water made in the lab is fake water.

Don’t be silly, ones in the ground are a natural grown substance over millions of years, not man made in a factory.

FinalCeleryScheme · 20/07/2024 16:08

Sunnyandsilly · 20/07/2024 15:59

Lab grown is just a marketing term. It’s a fake diamond.

I don’t get this. If you can make a diamond in the lab it’s every bit a real diamond as one hacked out of the ground.

It’s like saying that water made in the lab is fake water.

Sunnyandsilly · 20/07/2024 15:59

Lab grown is just a marketing term. It’s a fake diamond.

gleefulstar · 20/07/2024 15:58

HornyHornersPinkyWinky · 20/07/2024 13:03

I agree OP, to me they are such a waste of money - even if I had it, I couldn't imagine spending thousands on something that just sits there on my hand (admittedly looking nice), when I could get a car or a holiday instead. At least they are things you can use or enjoy.

Also, most people couldn't tell the difference between an actual diamond and something you can buy for super cheap.

I have a beautiful diamond ring that belonged to my grandma.

I could sell it and go on a very expensive holiday or I can keep it and enjoy owning it and wearing it and one day pass it on to my DD.

We're all different I guess, but a posh holiday wouldn't even compare in my eyes.

coxesorangepippin · 20/07/2024 15:57

Totally agree

Utter waste of time, money, effort, lives

DancingNotDrowning · 20/07/2024 15:56

I love mine but they’re all (apart from one necklace) antique, either purchased from auction houses/specialist jewellers or inherited.

theres not much in life that has intrinsic value, like, art, cars and property value of diamonds is more than the sum of its parts, collectively we have assigned a value based on rarity. That’s not to say there isn’t some clever marketing But de beers haven’t operated a monopoly in 20+ years.

zeibesaffron · 20/07/2024 15:53

Lab grown are not for me - I am going be be unpopular but I have diamond rings some inherited from my lovely grandma’s and my wonderful mum. My 50th birthday present was a beautiful 1920’s art deco diamond ring. Not particularly expensive but I love it, wear it, and think about its history and who may of worn it.

You can say this argument about many mined precious or semi precious stones!

Meowzabubz · 20/07/2024 15:52

ASeriesOfTubes · 20/07/2024 15:44

So... the more expensive the ring your man puts on your finger, the more you'd be prepared to do for him? Where do you draw the line? 🤔

Wind-up. Has to be.

No.

Some women do all that and more for a ring pop after 15 years of 'dating'. The ring is his investment and promise to be me that he is going to take care of me and only give me the best of things.

WhereIsMyLight · 20/07/2024 15:49

I’ve never really liked the clear diamonds and always been attracted to other coloured stones. My engagement ring is tanzanite but it does have small, clear diamonds on the band and I think they do enhance the tanzanite. Some of the coloured diamonds are gorgeous, the chocolate and yellow ones in particular.

ElleintheWoods · 20/07/2024 15:47

It's a bit like gold (well gold is a little different to be fair as it's used in the banking system), or certain art, they aren't inherently valuable, it's just agreed by society that they have value. They have value within industrial applications, but that's not what most people would think of them as.

Personally I think your POV is becoming quite widespread, I don't know anyone who would want to go anywhere near diamonds, mostly due to ethical implications.

ASeriesOfTubes · 20/07/2024 15:44

Meowzabubz · 20/07/2024 15:02

Engagement ring maths.

A lot of men act like a woman asking for a nice ring makes her some kind of gold digger, but let's look at who is really looking to benefit from this transaction. Even if a man got you a £10,000. Over the course of a year that would mean your ring was only worth £27 a day. And in exchange for £27 symbol of love most men are looking to secure a fulltime maid, cook, cleaner, secretary, nanny, surrogant, sex worker, chauffeur, cheerleader, and so much more. If he actually had to pay people to do all the work he's going to expect his wife to do in exchange for this one time ring transaction, it would equate to hundreds of thousands of pounds per year.

So he's already getting a bargain, even if he only spends 10 grand on the ring, but if he tries to palm you off with some cheap dust ring what's really happening is this ring worth £200 is really worth a one pound. If he saves a pound every day for a year, he can afford this ring and secure the services of some person who doesn't know their worth.

Talk about gold digging, right? This man is looking to recieve hundreds of thousands per year in free services for the low low price of £1 a day. And that's just over the first year. Over the course of a marriage, you are worth less than a penny a day.

Men like to say that the price of the ring doesn't determine the marriage. I disagree. People invest in what they care about. When you see a big old rock on a woman's hand, it is never a hand with snagged cuticles and fucked up nails. Because the woman who's hand it is on is being well taken care of. It is never on the hand of a woman who has had to scrub and wash and be busted down because she has someone who is taking care of her, who wanted to elevate her and treat her well. Give her the best.

So... the more expensive the ring your man puts on your finger, the more you'd be prepared to do for him? Where do you draw the line? 🤔

Wind-up. Has to be.

DancingPhantomsOnTheTerrace · 20/07/2024 15:41

I think "pointless" is an odd criticism - lots of things are pointless if they're just for decoration/accessory/appearances. They're no more pointless than any other stone or jewellery.

I agree that they're overvalued, and I personally don't really like the diamond solitaire style of ring. My engagement ring is a sapphire - but of course ultimately that's equally as pointless, just a bit less expensive.

pestopastaa · 20/07/2024 15:29

EnjoythemoneyJane · 20/07/2024 15:22

They’re not remotely rare. They’re stockpiled to give the illusion of scarcity and keep prices high - mainly by De Beers, who created and now control the global diamond market. It’s a completely artificial construct, done with the help of a clever and effective advertising strategy some time in the 50s or 60s.

Prior to that engagement rings weren’t really a thing - and they even invented out of thin air the idea that a man should spend the equivalent of something like 2 month’s salary on one, or else how much does he really love you?

The whole thing plays on people’s innate insecurities and status consciousness, and lines the pockets of others who are up to their necks in unethical practices and human rights abuses. So basically the usual story of gullible punters being shilled by a bunch of greedy, unscrupulous fuckers.

Yup all of this.

pestopastaa · 20/07/2024 15:28

behindthemall · 20/07/2024 13:03

The only reason they’re valuable at all is because of an incredibly successful marketing strategy by De Beers many years ago. They created the idea of scarcity and that diamonds were desirable and it was so successful it is embedded in western culture even today.

Exactly this. They talk about this on Rebel Finance School.

FinalCeleryScheme · 20/07/2024 15:27

saltinesandcoffeecups · 20/07/2024 15:15

Oh dear… I’d be less concerned about diamonds and more concerned about the ethics of mining all of those minerals used to make that phone/laptop/tablet you are all posting with. Or are we not concerned about that because those items are ‘useful’ and boycotting would not be as convenient?

I think the same about fur TBH.

Tucking into a leg of lamb (nowt wrong with that) while wearing your woolly jumper (nor with that) and swearing that you’d never wear fur always seems illogical and performative to me.

But the world is as it is. 🤷‍♀️

EnjoythemoneyJane · 20/07/2024 15:22

Bigcat25 · 20/07/2024 14:20

Not the person you asked, but I guess it's just the idea that a rare beautiful stone grew in nature under an incredibly long period of time, under special circumstances. However I know that diamonds aren't rare and I do find them a bit boring. That is just my silly romantic opinion.

However I'm more interested in the design of the piece rather than big blingy stones.

They’re not remotely rare. They’re stockpiled to give the illusion of scarcity and keep prices high - mainly by De Beers, who created and now control the global diamond market. It’s a completely artificial construct, done with the help of a clever and effective advertising strategy some time in the 50s or 60s.

Prior to that engagement rings weren’t really a thing - and they even invented out of thin air the idea that a man should spend the equivalent of something like 2 month’s salary on one, or else how much does he really love you?

The whole thing plays on people’s innate insecurities and status consciousness, and lines the pockets of others who are up to their necks in unethical practices and human rights abuses. So basically the usual story of gullible punters being shilled by a bunch of greedy, unscrupulous fuckers.

Chocolatelover13 · 20/07/2024 15:21

I just bought ethically mined diamond earrings and I love them. I respect others position on not wanting to buy/wear diamonds but I wanted them and I think they’re beautiful.

Lolatusernamesuggestions · 20/07/2024 15:16

JaceLancs · 20/07/2024 14:10

I love antique jewellery particularly diamonds but have never bought new
I like the sparkle and enjoy wearing them, I imagine who might have owned them in the past too

I'm exactly the same.
As for what I haven't bought myself, my mum gifted me a little pendant with diamonds in as a graduation gift. I very rarely wear it because it's my favourite and I'm scared of losing it. Sometimes I get it out to hold it and look at it. Probably a bit weird but it's how I am.

saltinesandcoffeecups · 20/07/2024 15:15

Oh dear… I’d be less concerned about diamonds and more concerned about the ethics of mining all of those minerals used to make that phone/laptop/tablet you are all posting with. Or are we not concerned about that because those items are ‘useful’ and boycotting would not be as convenient?

Sidebeforeself · 20/07/2024 15:12

Eh?How is it a sexist issue?

FalderalderaldoSittingintheWater · 20/07/2024 15:11

WitchyBits · 20/07/2024 13:16

I'm not a fan of diamonds although I do own a black diamond solitaire as I like to be different/contrary. 2ct set in a Tiffany style solitaire in silver and it costs £180 20 years ago . But my most beautiful piece of jewellery is a 1 inch oval opal ring, set in gold. It's just glorious, the colours change and glimmer in the different lights and it can look pink/white/blue and I love it. Cost £400 about 8 years ago. I also love aquamarine and Saphires and emerald. Currently developing a new appreciation for pearls. So many beautiful stones to costs other than diamonds.

Hope your opal (sounds fabulous, btw!) was bought for you!

Pocketfullofdogtreats · 20/07/2024 15:10

Have any of you been to the jewellery gallery at the V&A? They had a diamond exhibition ( I think I was a temporary exhibition) and oh boy, the huge diamonds under spotlights were sensational! That told me why they're valued. The one in the King's crown at the opening of parliament this week was huge and glittery too. And it has a history, which makes it a bit more interesting than your average stone. I have an amethyst engagement ring. But I can see why stunning diamonds are highly prized.

FalderalderaldoSittingintheWater · 20/07/2024 15:10

BatshitCrazyWoman · 20/07/2024 14:42

There are so many beautiful stones, I can't see the attraction of a basically clear stone, they have never been my thing at all. My engagement ring was an iolite, which was stunning. I sold it to pay legal fees when divorcing.

I prefer antique and vintage rings now

Had to Google that! It's a gorgeous stone

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