No more Protest

Just because they weren't wielding knives, guns or explosives doesn't make the harm they caused any less real. It's their total disregard for the life or deaths of others. They knew that people might die because of what they were doing and regarded this as acceptable. When you reach a point of indifference about the life or death of other people in pursuit of political aims, you are a terrorist. JSO are led by terrorists who would allow people to die in pursuit of their political goals.

They belong where they are. In prison serving long sentences. It's naff all to do with the legitimate right of protest and free speech that continues to exist in this country.

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They have mentality of terrorists - i.e. 'do what we say or else'.

The screenshots posted earlier on the thread also showed them comparing themselves to the French resistance and the government to Nazis in court.

I think they're are terrorists who just haven't started killing..... yet.

Agree. It's an insult to real victims of terrorism. It massively trivializes terrorism if people being inconvenienced is called terrorism.

We only have your word on that, which means nothing. "Somebody I know said such and such" is never a valid argument. The reality is that the science is settled. Get over it.

Where did I say that? Answer; nowhere. In fact, I have said quite the opposite, that what they did is not okay. My objection was to calling it terrorism, simply because that is bullshit.
Lying about other posters certainly doesn't help you look less hysterical.

Like equating JSOs actions to fighting Nazis, is something people should be ashamed of?

I studied geochemistry at university. None of the lecturers even agreed with the theory of CO2 driving temperature due to the geological record showing CO2 trailing temperature. I guess they're just not the scientists you're referring to.

@XDownwiththissortofthingX also self serving bollocks. We small folk don't need you or JSO to educate us on the climate crisis. We understand it full well and thy at people like you are part of problem preventing realistic solutions through fantasy demands about the pace of possible change.

@XChrome I'm not the one supporting JSO and their criminal campaign. You are.

You're getting hysterical now and making even less sense. Try a sedative.

🙄Look up the definition of violence and get back to us.

@XChrome keep on being an apologist for environmental terrorists. It's Mumsnet. So you do you!

Yes, because life will be a bed of roses post-environmental collapse.

The purpose is not to force anyone into "accepting beliefs", it's to highlight an impending reality, and make people realise that there wont be any "medical treatment" and a whole fuckton more mental and financial suffering in short order if "ordinary people" just blithely carry on with their "ordinary lives".

To that extent, I think they have succeeded somewhat, it's just disheartening to see how much total ignorance pervades, and that people would sooner just stick their fingers in their ears and lock people up for laying down some harsh truths than actually listen.

Nope. It's not "terror" if it's about being late for work or missing an appointment. Who is "terrified" of that? It counts as terrorism only if, on a large scale, people think they may die or be injured.

Of course, people on the extreme left who support this stuff are always on the self-proclaimed "right side of history". They assume that they will be seen as heroes by future generations. It's delusional bullshit and turns off the majority of reasonable people who actually do care about environmental issues.

Agreed.

Ridiculous degree of short-termist, head-in-the-sand selfishness on display here.

People missing appointments, being late for work etc, yes, frustrating, irritating, even life-threatening to the individual, but it's a testament to just how ignorant of reality most are that they are furious about their arses being put out of joint for a few hours, while merrily plodding headlong towards complete and utter oblivion and happy to jail anyone who dares to highlight the ignorance.

Good luck getting to work, or your hospital appointment, when the 98% of the planet is underwater, and the parts which are not are smouldering, uninhabitable craters. Perhaps the fact that people are willing to go to prison over this, AND create merry hell for "ordinary" people should give pause for thought, but no, provided the kids get to school for 9am all is well. 🙄

Short custodial sentence in Cat C with no social media/internet access would be perfectly appropriate, but locking these people up for longer than people who commit acts of serious violence against the person and sexual offences is palpably ridiculous. This isn't going to be over if/when they finally get out either, because these convictions will just push them even further to the fringes of society, and likely embolden them to even more extreme behaviours because they have even less to lose.

You put that better than me. Thank you.

@lightinthebox have you read the things they have said? About this not being to do with peaceful protest

And are you affiliated with them?

@XChrome I disagree. It's the scale of it. They set out to terrorise the people of Greater London into accepting their beliefs. They didn't care if people died for lack of medical treatment, or suffered financially or mentally, or were put in danger because of it. No n

Seems like the definition of terrorism to me

100%. I have found that intellectual dishonesty of this sort is common on MN.

To make this argument you have to ignore the risk to life, as well as other harms, these protestors were planning to cause. To claim this was non -violent you really have to take a very narrow definition of violence as limited to punching someone in the face, or suchlike.

You also have to deliberately ignore what these protestors actually did and hoped to do, to compare it to a football match. This is a laughably inaccurate comparison, both in scale and duration.

The fascinating thing about defenders of JSO on this thread is the way the engage in wild inacurate hyperbole on one side ( the UK is now like like Russia and China!) and wild inaccurate minimization on the other ( the disruption of the protest was just like a football match!)) on the other.
When you have to clutch at such desperate straws to make a case, you really don’t have a case and are in the realms of fantasist.

You clearly haven’t also read what the protestors did or read what they planned to do.