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To think 'chav' is not an okay thing to call people?

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enternow99 · 19/07/2024 15:11

I find the use of chav on Mumsnet shocking. Is this name chavvy? Is this holiday destination chavvy? Is this outfit chavvy? Chavs moved in next door (I'm a leaseholder, they rent!!!!)

I understand its snobbiness but isn't it a bit horrible?

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Allfur · 19/07/2024 17:58

Birdingbear · 19/07/2024 17:54

It's a common word that people use all the time depending on what area you come from. But it's a word that describes a person perfectly. Just Google the word and it will tell you what it means.
How on earth are we meant to describe someone or something in one word. These words exist for that reason.

It's not my problem if people meet the description!

Just use your language skills and use more words, why should people be reduced to one word - a slur is a slur

mumbo34 · 19/07/2024 17:58

"Why does someone who wears tracksuits and garish accessories have to change their ways? Who are you to decide what a person should drink or wear."

They don't have to change their ways. I don't care what other people wear. But they will be prejudged just like someone wearing goth clothing or designer clothing or sportswear or certain brands. It's disingenuous and unrealistic to suggest this doesn't happen for everyone.
I was referring more to my antisocial behaviour - ie underage drinking in public places - but yes my clothing played a part in it too.

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enternow99 · 19/07/2024 17:57

arethereanyleftatall · 19/07/2024 17:54

No. This is kind of the point of the word. It describes perfectly a type of person. That person can indeed be fat or thin, rich or poor, and equally another person can be fat, thin, rich, poor and not be a chav.

It boils down to essentially anti social behaviour. It is a negative word, and it's precisely because it describes negative behaviour.

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It boils down to classist discrimination of people who are often of a lower socio-economical standard than those using the word.

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chav1 · 19/07/2024 17:57

@serialcatbuyer or because its comfortable

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enternow99 · 19/07/2024 17:56

TinkerTiger · 19/07/2024 17:52

It’s sarcasm. And you’re projecting. I’m not defensive at all, merely pointing out that your reasoning that if you won’t use it in speaking to a child then you shouldn’t say it is pointless, because there are many words that we use when speaking to adults that we don’t use when speaking to children.

If you think that my comment isn’t helpful then it actually points to some defensiveness in you, as it’s a perfectly reasonable analogy.

HTH.

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Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit. HTH is passive-aggressive.

Many people on this thread think nothing of using the word, and many people have said their children use it.

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serialcatbuyer · 19/07/2024 17:55

When I went to the hospital recently everyone in A and E was wearing sports clothes. I wondered if that means my town is chavvy or if they were dressed like that specifically for hospital

TorroFerney · 19/07/2024 17:54

mumbo34 · 19/07/2024 16:39

It's not about being poor. It's about behaving in a certain way. Not all poor people are chavs. Some rich people are. HTH.

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Agree, it has nothing at all to do with money,

arethereanyleftatall · 19/07/2024 17:54

Towelmode · 19/07/2024 16:04

This thread proves that chav can mean anything 😆

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No. This is kind of the point of the word. It describes perfectly a type of person. That person can indeed be fat or thin, rich or poor, and equally another person can be fat, thin, rich, poor and not be a chav.

It boils down to essentially anti social behaviour. It is a negative word, and it's precisely because it describes negative behaviour.

Birdingbear · 19/07/2024 17:54

It's a common word that people use all the time depending on what area you come from. But it's a word that describes a person perfectly. Just Google the word and it will tell you what it means.
How on earth are we meant to describe someone or something in one word. These words exist for that reason.

It's not my problem if people meet the description!

CookStrait · 19/07/2024 17:54

People think it’s more acceptable to be a snob than a chav, but there’s not much in it.

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enternow99 · 19/07/2024 17:52

mumbo34 · 19/07/2024 17:48

Ludicrous to compare the n word and the word chav. Utterly incomparable.
You can't help the colour of your skin, you can choose your behaviour. And behaviour is what chavviness comes down to. It's not about wealth.

Growing up I acted like a chav. Wore tracksuits and loads of garish bling, hung around in parks drinking cheap cider etc. Thankfully I grew up and realised the error of my ways. But for a while in my youth, I was a chav. And it was down to my behaviour not my social class (which hasn't changed).

Why does someone who wears tracksuits and garish accessories have to change their ways? Who are you to decide what a person should drink or wear.

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TinkerTiger · 19/07/2024 17:52

enternow99 · 19/07/2024 17:32

HTH is a cheap attempt at shutting down a discussion. What you said doesn't help at all. Maybe you should unpack why you are so defensive about my question.

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It’s sarcasm. And you’re projecting. I’m not defensive at all, merely pointing out that your reasoning that if you won’t use it in speaking to a child then you shouldn’t say it is pointless, because there are many words that we use when speaking to adults that we don’t use when speaking to children.

If you think that my comment isn’t helpful then it actually points to some defensiveness in you, as it’s a perfectly reasonable analogy.

HTH.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 19/07/2024 17:52

I certainly don’t associate it with WC.

It’s not a word I’d ever use, except in my head, but to me it conjures up people who drop litter, who bring their smelly fast food on public transport and leave the greasy wrappings and drinks bottles/cans behind, who shout and swear in public, especially if it’s at their own children, and more especially if they’re also smoking, and (unless at beach or pool) who display a great deal of very overweight or obese flesh, especially if it’s also tattooed.

Needmorelego · 19/07/2024 17:51

@ImthatBoleyngirl sorry I did sound a bit harsh and patronising to you 🙂
(but as this thread has shown some people don't seem to think it's a terrible word...)

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enternow99 · 19/07/2024 17:51

WatermelonMickeys · 19/07/2024 17:47

I wouldn’t use it in that way, but I really don’t give a shit if anyone else does.

Stop looking for reasons to be offended.

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Its discriminatory and prejudicial language against people's size and weight. You're in a position of privilege to not 'give a shit'.

Also, telling people to stop looking for a reason to be offended is an absurd kind of ad hominem.

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vincettenoir · 19/07/2024 17:51

mumbo34 · 19/07/2024 17:48

Ludicrous to compare the n word and the word chav. Utterly incomparable.
You can't help the colour of your skin, you can choose your behaviour. And behaviour is what chavviness comes down to. It's not about wealth.

Growing up I acted like a chav. Wore tracksuits and loads of garish bling, hung around in parks drinking cheap cider etc. Thankfully I grew up and realised the error of my ways. But for a while in my youth, I was a chav. And it was down to my behaviour not my social class (which hasn't changed).

Do you think you would have been described as a chav if you were an angry middle class kid acting out and wearing the kind of clothes your friends were wearing?

chav1 · 19/07/2024 17:51

@mumbo34 have you read
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chavs:_The_Demonization_of_the_Working_Class
Recommend, as it's an interesting read.

TorroFerney · 19/07/2024 17:49

enternow99 · 19/07/2024 15:12

If you think it's fine to use, do you also say it to your children? Oh ignore them they're chavs!

I say scrotes - that's worse than chavs though I think as infers a criminal element, are chav's southern though. Interesting. As someone else says though it is a descriptor. Also Clampets for some awful neighbours - that ages me a bit!!

mumbo34 · 19/07/2024 17:48

Ludicrous to compare the n word and the word chav. Utterly incomparable.
You can't help the colour of your skin, you can choose your behaviour. And behaviour is what chavviness comes down to. It's not about wealth.

Growing up I acted like a chav. Wore tracksuits and loads of garish bling, hung around in parks drinking cheap cider etc. Thankfully I grew up and realised the error of my ways. But for a while in my youth, I was a chav. And it was down to my behaviour not my social class (which hasn't changed).

WatermelonMickeys · 19/07/2024 17:47

enternow99 · 19/07/2024 17:42

Calling people chavs because they are overweight and have flabby skin is ok by you?

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I wouldn’t use it in that way, but I really don’t give a shit if anyone else does.

Stop looking for reasons to be offended.

gardenmusic · 19/07/2024 17:46

UnfriendMe Correct me if I am wrong, but you probably have not spent much time in Romany company. That is why you have not seen the offence.

Allfur · 19/07/2024 17:46

NastySting · 19/07/2024 17:43

If it doesn't apply to you who are you offended on behalf of? The chavs?

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So we should not be offended by racist slurs that don't apply to us?

chav1 · 19/07/2024 17:46

UnfriendMe · 19/07/2024 17:44

I didn't know what it meant till I moved to the UK and heard my partner or his friends use it a few times. As soon as they pointed out the person I knew exactly what it meant. It's accurate and a good descriptor. I've never seen people get upset or offended over it though, until now.

You may want to read this then

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chavs:_The_Demonization_of_the_Working_Class

UnfriendMe · 19/07/2024 17:44

I didn't know what it meant till I moved to the UK and heard my partner or his friends use it a few times. As soon as they pointed out the person I knew exactly what it meant. It's accurate and a good descriptor. I've never seen people get upset or offended over it though, until now.

Sd1960 · 19/07/2024 17:44

Teentaxidriver · 19/07/2024 15:20

Chav, or Cheltenham Average. Coined by the ladies of Cheltenham Ladies College to denote a particular type of local.

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No it’s not, it’s a Romany word similar to scalliwag from r young children