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To think 'chav' is not an okay thing to call people?

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enternow99 · 19/07/2024 15:11

I find the use of chav on Mumsnet shocking. Is this name chavvy? Is this holiday destination chavvy? Is this outfit chavvy? Chavs moved in next door (I'm a leaseholder, they rent!!!!)

I understand its snobbiness but isn't it a bit horrible?

OP posts:
Skinglow · 19/07/2024 19:23

MyOtherWheelchairIsABroomstick · 19/07/2024 19:19

It's an acronym. C. H. A. V... council-housed is what we were told it stood for when I was younger. The other two words are alcoholic and violent. The word only applies to people who are all three. So how would that apply to everyone on a council estate? I never said that. I also replied to you to say that I don't consider myself a chav and I've lived on many council estates. You've misunderstood my point.

Chav has never meant, council house, alcoholic and violent. The fact you assume only people from council estates are 'chavs' is offensive.

mumbo34 · 19/07/2024 19:21

@Skinglow it's sad that you've read her post and this is all you've deduced from it. Do you not sympathise with what she went through? Might it shape your judgement too if you'd experienced that?

I think the acronym is probably a generalised term rather than her stating it as her personal opinion.

ImthatBoleyngirl · 19/07/2024 19:21

Needmorelego · 19/07/2024 17:51

@ImthatBoleyngirl sorry I did sound a bit harsh and patronising to you 🙂
(but as this thread has shown some people don't seem to think it's a terrible word...)

That's ok, sorry I was snappy back 🙈

Calliopespa · 19/07/2024 19:20

ABirdsEyeView · 19/07/2024 15:25

I wouldn't use it a synonym for working class, which is where the term became problematic imo. But to describe the sort of people who think the state owes them a living, who commit anti social behaviour, are generally thuggish wasters, then yes I would happily use the term 'chav'.

Actually I think of it slightly differently. For me chav has an aspect of aspiration and it’s a sort of attitude of looking down at the ground from quite a low branch that makes a chav.

So buying overpriced sports gear so they can look down on those who don’t bother/ can’t afford to overstretch themselves to splurge on it. Even a footballer’s wives type vibe I would see as chavvy. So money without good taste or education informing how they spend it can be chavvy - not just being on benefits . To me that latter doesn’t require you to behave like a chav. Some people are validly on benefits. It’s thinking you’re “ it” when you’ve slightly elevated yourself in some indistinct way from others. I think some of the threads that scream chav to me are the housekeeping ones extolling how they have no “ clutter” . I can just imagine … no books for sure.

MyOtherWheelchairIsABroomstick · 19/07/2024 19:19

Skinglow · 19/07/2024 19:12

Hmmm, as well as saying all council estates are full of chavs. That's offensive.

It's an acronym. C. H. A. V... council-housed is what we were told it stood for when I was younger. The other two words are alcoholic and violent. The word only applies to people who are all three. So how would that apply to everyone on a council estate? I never said that. I also replied to you to say that I don't consider myself a chav and I've lived on many council estates. You've misunderstood my point.

Toottooot · 19/07/2024 19:16

Fit aboot bams or neds?

Skinglow · 19/07/2024 19:16

mumbo34 · 19/07/2024 19:13

@Skinglow it's her experience. Where has she said 'all' council estates are full of them?

Maybe the line that says Chavs means Council housed?

Skinglow · 19/07/2024 19:14

thisiswheretheseagullfliesaway · 19/07/2024 19:09

I prefer the word cunts to be used for those with anti-social behaviour. It's a fit all.

Exactly. Rich cunts, poor cunts, middle class cunts.

mumbo34 · 19/07/2024 19:13

@Skinglow it's her experience. Where has she said 'all' council estates are full of them?

Skinglow · 19/07/2024 19:12

enternow99 · 19/07/2024 18:54

I think shes sharing her story and her perspective of the word.

Hmmm, as well as saying all council estates are full of chavs. That's offensive.

Southener · 19/07/2024 19:09

chav1 · 19/07/2024 18:00

If working class, romany, gypsy and traveller peoples are telling posters it's an offensive slur utilised against them and their people, why continue to use it?

Exactly this. This is going right over some heads.

mumbo34 · 19/07/2024 19:09

chav1 · 19/07/2024 19:05

Today 18:48
Maybe posters could ask one of the "chavs" on here what it means...
Today 18:52
Maybe posters could ask one of the "chavs" on here what it means...anyone?

No-one? Not curious to hear from the horses mouth?
Lost opportunity.

Just one thing before I leave,

If working class, romany, gypsy and traveller peoples are telling posters in this thread it's an offensive slur utilised against them and their people, why continue to use it?

Are you ok? Who on here has confirmed themselves as a chav? And even if they had they are no better placed to define it than anyone else. As this thread has proven, people seem to have very different perceptions of the word.

thisiswheretheseagullfliesaway · 19/07/2024 19:09

I prefer the word cunts to be used for those with anti-social behaviour. It's a fit all.

MyOtherWheelchairIsABroomstick · 19/07/2024 19:09

enternow99 · 19/07/2024 18:53

Sadly, it's nearly impossible for children to come out of an environment of addiction, poverty, parental neglect, anti-social environments and a lack of community care as functioning adults. You've done amazingly well xx

Thank you :) I just want my children to have a normal life without the stresses I had. I feel like it's breaking the cycle. I am not bothered if anyone thinks I'm a snob. I'm really not. I do have sympathy for people who have got to where they are because of their own childhood, but not when their behaviour affects my family because I've dealt with my fair share of antisocial people in this lifetime x

arethereanyleftatall · 19/07/2024 19:08

You could flip that @chav1

Since it's a word aimed at antisocial behaviour, why continue to behave that way?

ABirdsEyeView · 19/07/2024 19:05

@chav1 stop plugging that book! Are you Owen Jones im disguise?

Even if it is a term related to class, its not about working class, it relates to the 'underclass' of jobless, feckless types, who finance their lives through shady income streams and spend their days hanging round McDonalds and vandalising their town centres and housing estates!

chav1 · 19/07/2024 19:05

Today 18:48
Maybe posters could ask one of the "chavs" on here what it means...
Today 18:52
Maybe posters could ask one of the "chavs" on here what it means...anyone?

No-one? Not curious to hear from the horses mouth?
Lost opportunity.

Just one thing before I leave,

If working class, romany, gypsy and traveller peoples are telling posters in this thread it's an offensive slur utilised against them and their people, why continue to use it?

mumbo34 · 19/07/2024 19:05

chav1 · 19/07/2024 18:58

They are chavs but well behaved ones?

Edited

No because if they were well behaved they wouldn't be chavs. I'm not sure why this is so difficult to grasp...

I'm not saying all chavs are evil people. As I said, I certainly acted like/was one for a while in my younger years. I wasn't evil but I was behaving antisocially and illegally.

MyOtherWheelchairIsABroomstick · 19/07/2024 19:03

Skinglow · 19/07/2024 18:51

So you think all people who live on Council estates are chavs? Is that what you are saying?

No. That is not what I said at all. I said that chavs do exist. I lived on an estate mostly full of them. I came from a council estate and I would not describe myself as a chav. I never was, which is why I'm no contact with my abusive alcoholic family. But the meaning of the word when I was growing up was that CHAV stood for council housed...

verabarbleen · 19/07/2024 19:02

@arethereanyleftatall I understand this then she should now call them arseholes which is what they are...rather than lumping everyone in together.

chav1 · 19/07/2024 18:58

They are chavs but well behaved ones?

arethereanyleftatall · 19/07/2024 18:56

No @Skinglow that isn't what she is saying at all. She is saying, very articulately, that the people who lived there who behaved appallingly, were chavs. Rather obviously, there are millions of people living in council houses who aren't chavs.

enternow99 · 19/07/2024 18:56

NastySting · 19/07/2024 18:45

Yep, but don't forget the drink in the can is alcohol and most people don't scream at their kids no matter how difficult they are. I notice you missed a few key details in your simplified version of events...

Discreet and well done tattoos?

OP posts:
verabarbleen · 19/07/2024 18:55

I thought chav stood for (originally) council house and violence. That's where it stems from , now mostly it's about someone looks/acts . I hate it. Most people assume I'm a bit posh because I'm quite well spoken. I come from a council house , I live in a little village that doesn't like "chavs" most of the "chavs" I know are the kindest people who will help you in your darkest hour. It's so classist and disgusting and it really pisses me off .

MyOtherWheelchairIsABroomstick · 19/07/2024 18:55

Needmorelego · 19/07/2024 18:44

@MyOtherWheelchairIsABroomstick the environment you have described is not what I would I associate with the word "chav" though.
That's my whole point to many of my posts - people seem to use it as an insult but not always in the way and meaning the same thing.

I understand - I've always known it to mean council-housed, alcoholic, violent... which describes the people I grew up with and my old neighbours. I never understood why the chavs on TV had matching tracksuits, jewellery and grey velvet, mirrored furniture houses. The council estates I grew up on with alcoholics were shitholes with unshaven gollum looking people with swinging jaws from all the drugs. They didn't care what their houses looked like and wouldn't even fix them if the windows were broke because it meant getting the social out and anyone who works for the government is a tosser and an enemy in those circles. We were allowed to draw and stick stickers all over the walls...

I can't believe people are saying people like that don't exist! Come to Bolton 😄