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To think 'chav' is not an okay thing to call people?

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enternow99 · 19/07/2024 15:11

I find the use of chav on Mumsnet shocking. Is this name chavvy? Is this holiday destination chavvy? Is this outfit chavvy? Chavs moved in next door (I'm a leaseholder, they rent!!!!)

I understand its snobbiness but isn't it a bit horrible?

OP posts:
Calliopespa · 20/07/2024 09:14

It’s actually kind of typical of chavs to get all tetchy about the term chavs.

You don’t get toffs coming on whinging about being called toff. It’s a shoulder shrug and get on with it.

To me there’s a sort of assertive defiance involved in chavness. They don’t want to exist quietly without affecting others.

TheCadoganArms · 20/07/2024 09:08

Skinglow · 20/07/2024 08:32

She virtually admitted that chav means council housed. So I'll take from her long detailed post what I will.

She described a sub set of people who lived in social housing whose antisocial behaviour made everyone else's lives a misery. She did not say all people who live on council estates are chavs, merely implied there is a very strong correlation between the two.

Needmorelego · 20/07/2024 09:03

@Gingerdancedbackwards "see previous posts" to you too 🙄
All through this thread people are using the word in different ways and have different ideas of the origins.

Sharptonguedwoman · 20/07/2024 09:01

Skinglow · 20/07/2024 08:32

She virtually admitted that chav means council housed. So I'll take from her long detailed post what I will.

Don't think so. If you skim through the answers here there are at least three separate ideas as to the source of the word.

JudgeJ · 20/07/2024 09:00

ll09sm · 20/07/2024 07:21

Some people are chavs. So should be called it. Without the pearl clutching from the ‘be kind’ brigade.

It’s not a disability or a characteristic that they don’t control. No one makes these people wear big nasty cheap looking jewellery, long fake talons in lieu of normal fingernails, seeeping brush eyelashes, fish lips and designer brands with logos all over the place.

And pneumatic breasts of silicon.

Gingerdancedbackwards · 20/07/2024 08:57

Needmorelego · 20/07/2024 08:54

@Gingerdancedbackwards your definition of the word.
What you believe.
That doesn't mean when other people use the word they are using it for the same meaning that you would.
That's why I said it's outdated because the word has evolved too much to have an "accepted" meaning.

See previous posts.
It's clearly still a term in use, and the original 'definition' is the definition. If it were only my definition as you suggest, no-one would know what I was talking about.

Needmorelego · 20/07/2024 08:54

@Gingerdancedbackwards your definition of the word.
What you believe.
That doesn't mean when other people use the word they are using it for the same meaning that you would.
That's why I said it's outdated because the word has evolved too much to have an "accepted" meaning.

CoatRack · 20/07/2024 08:51

kirbykirby · 20/07/2024 08:47

How many people offended by the use of the word "chav" have no problem using the word "gammon".

Indeed. Or 'toff'.

Beezknees · 20/07/2024 08:51

kirbykirby · 20/07/2024 08:47

How many people offended by the use of the word "chav" have no problem using the word "gammon".

The same could be said of the opposite. I don't use either personally.

Gingerdancedbackwards · 20/07/2024 08:47

Needmorelego · 20/07/2024 08:43

@Gingerdancedbackwards as I have said SEVERAL times people clearly have different views and ideas about what the word means and this thread proves that .
People believe completely different things about what it means or what it's origins are.
So yes - it's outdated and as an insult people don't really know what it means - because it seems to mean completely different things to different people.

Those of us old enough to be at the 'start' of the 'chav', are far better placed to provide the definition.

kirbykirby · 20/07/2024 08:47

How many people offended by the use of the word "chav" have no problem using the word "gammon".

Needmorelego · 20/07/2024 08:43

@Gingerdancedbackwards as I have said SEVERAL times people clearly have different views and ideas about what the word means and this thread proves that .
People believe completely different things about what it means or what it's origins are.
So yes - it's outdated and as an insult people don't really know what it means - because it seems to mean completely different things to different people.

Beezknees · 20/07/2024 08:40

ll09sm · 20/07/2024 07:21

Some people are chavs. So should be called it. Without the pearl clutching from the ‘be kind’ brigade.

It’s not a disability or a characteristic that they don’t control. No one makes these people wear big nasty cheap looking jewellery, long fake talons in lieu of normal fingernails, seeeping brush eyelashes, fish lips and designer brands with logos all over the place.

Why do you think you have the right to call people names because of what they choose to wear?

Beezknees · 20/07/2024 08:39

Gingerdancedbackwards · 20/07/2024 07:14

We can decide what/who offends our eyes and our sensibilities

Doesn't mean that you have the right to call people names.

Skinglow · 20/07/2024 08:32

TheCadoganArms · 20/07/2024 08:29

So that is your only take from that very long detailed post? Talk about selective reading.

She virtually admitted that chav means council housed. So I'll take from her long detailed post what I will.

TheCadoganArms · 20/07/2024 08:29

Skinglow · 19/07/2024 18:51

So you think all people who live on Council estates are chavs? Is that what you are saying?

So that is your only take from that very long detailed post? Talk about selective reading.

gardenmusic · 20/07/2024 08:15

Some people are chavs. So should be called it. Without the pearl clutching from the ‘be kind’ brigade.

And once more for the ignorant and hard of thinking:

The word Chav come from Chavvy, the Romany word for child. Like kid, or kiddie. Chav was used as an insult, to compare bad behaviour to that of a Romany child.
The fact that perhaps you are too young to know that is irrelevant. It may have dropped into common parlance for some of you, but it still means the same thing.
It does not mean anything else. I can guarantee the people you are calling Chavs are not.

I do not know the french word for child, nor the swahili, nor the urdu, but I can guarantee that if I started saying you are such a 'swahili word for child' to denegrate someone's clothing or actions I would be banned, and quite rightly so.
Would you consider those that banned me as pearl clutching? Would you consider them kind and rational, or part of the 'be kind brigade?'

If I used the urdu word for child and applied it to to drunken loud and aggressive behaviour what do you think would happen?
Why do the posters on here think they can use the children of an ethnic minority as an insult?

I will call out bad behaviour, I will probably swear, what I will not do is attribute their behaviour to their genetic origins.

TheaBrandt · 20/07/2024 07:32

Myother yes we had neighbours who behaved as you described and frankly it can ruin your life. Hell. We moved.

It’s not a descriptor of lower income families it’s a descriptor of a patten of behaviour.

Sorry but the gentle right on souls on this thread have never lived in proximity to people demonstrating these behaviours. If you did you would never defend them. So naive.

Gingerdancedbackwards · 20/07/2024 07:31

Skinglow · 19/07/2024 16:31

Same. I often call it out on the baby names board.

Keep polishing that halo

Skinglow · 20/07/2024 07:30

ll09sm · 20/07/2024 07:21

Some people are chavs. So should be called it. Without the pearl clutching from the ‘be kind’ brigade.

It’s not a disability or a characteristic that they don’t control. No one makes these people wear big nasty cheap looking jewellery, long fake talons in lieu of normal fingernails, seeeping brush eyelashes, fish lips and designer brands with logos all over the place.

So it's not about behavior then as many have claimed on this thread, it's about a look?

Gingerdancedbackwards · 20/07/2024 07:27

elm26 · 19/07/2024 15:51

Isn't the word Chav an abbreviation for "council housed and violent"? Or something similar.

I think it's a disgusting word and wouldn't like my daughter to call anyone it.

We are council housed, not one violent bone in my body. Or my DH. We have lovely neighbours and live on a really lovely estate. Friendly, neighbourly and well kept.

Chav was never an acronym. When chavs were first defined, it was a set of traits, behaviours and clothing which defined them.
This stupid acronym came about a decade later, where from who knows, but probably the midfle-classes who were torturing themselves into defining what they don't have a clue about.
Because those of those that were alive at the start of 'chave' know that most council house dwellers are not violent or criminal; chave was a separate set of people

LadyFeatheringt0n · 20/07/2024 07:23

YANBU it's used on MN to mean WC.
Water closet??

Working class and i don't think it is. I know lots of working class people who are not chavvy at all and some rather well off people who are.

Gingerdancedbackwards · 20/07/2024 07:22

AGodawfulsmallaffair · 19/07/2024 15:46

Oh nicely put!

Chav is not about social class, ffs.
It is a descriptor for a well-defined 'community' with certain common (as in many, not the way it is always interpreted here) traits.
Began in the 80s and has waxed and waned since.

LadyFeatheringt0n · 20/07/2024 07:22

Its a short single word that conveys a lot of meaning. We all immediately know what is meant. Yes op could use 5 or 6 more formal words but the subtlety & meaning would be less clear.

ll09sm · 20/07/2024 07:21

Some people are chavs. So should be called it. Without the pearl clutching from the ‘be kind’ brigade.

It’s not a disability or a characteristic that they don’t control. No one makes these people wear big nasty cheap looking jewellery, long fake talons in lieu of normal fingernails, seeeping brush eyelashes, fish lips and designer brands with logos all over the place.