Page 13 | To think 'chav' is not an okay thing to call people?

gardenmusic · 19/07/2024 16:45

Maybe instead of explaining why those who use the word chav do so, or what it means to them, they could simply stop using it.
You would not use the word 'child' from any other language to denegrate, so why pick the Romany word for child?

Yerroblemom1923 · 19/07/2024 16:44

I don't think it's used to reference the Working Class but the term "Underclass" that Charles Murray writes of as in those who don't want to work and see little interest in employment and so low down on the class spectrum, so lower than WC.
In a nutshell "chav" = underclass

vincettenoir · 19/07/2024 16:42

I agree that the term is a kind of shorthand and infers more than being poor. But it’s absolutely not true that only middle class people realise the term is offensive.

Needmorelego · 19/07/2024 16:42

@Screamingabdabz people don't know what it means though - going by this thread.

Choochoo21 · 19/07/2024 16:42

IcyKoala · 19/07/2024 16:37

It is an insulting name for poor people. If you dared to say anything about middle class or upper class people as a group you would be pounced on and probably banned. But calling poor people names is fine.

I completely agree.

This is a very bitchy term used by a small minority of people who think they are better than others, purely because of their class/finances.

I’m glad the word is used though because I know that the people who use it are snobs and not nice people.

Screamingabdabz · 19/07/2024 16:41

Jeez the pearl clutching. 🙄

Only the middle classes would find offence in a term that working class communities use freely to describe the arseholes - feckless, shit for brains, no manners, usually criminal tendencies, no consideration and brash with no taste or sensitivity.

It distinguishes people who may be poor, from those who are poor but act like anti-social dicks. As a WC person who has experienced class prejudice on the daily I totally get why this group is labelled like that.

Middle classes never get it and by throwing a fit of vapours they massively reveal their own power privilege.

Let them have chav ffs! it works perfectly well and we all know what it means.

Homedesign123 · 19/07/2024 16:40

Skinglow · 19/07/2024 16:31

Same. I often call it out on the baby names board.

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I can't help but agree, you can spot a chavvy name a mile off, Kaiden, Hunter, Cairo, and pretty much any girls name that's spelt weird and double barrelled, Lexie-May Skyla-Rose

Needmorelego · 19/07/2024 16:40

@user182937 but what exactly is "a chav".
People seem to use the name for different meanings.

BloodyHellKenAgain · 19/07/2024 16:40

MonsteraMama · 19/07/2024 15:19

Proper Vicky Pollard chavs are becoming a rarity these days, I always feel quite nostalgic when I see one in the wild.

I've just come back from our local town and they're out in force here. Tats on show, nasty looking dog and a can/bottle of something alcoholic.

mumbo34 · 19/07/2024 16:39

IcyKoala · 19/07/2024 16:37

It is an insulting name for poor people. If you dared to say anything about middle class or upper class people as a group you would be pounced on and probably banned. But calling poor people names is fine.

It's not about being poor. It's about behaving in a certain way. Not all poor people are chavs. Some rich people are. HTH.

IcyKoala · 19/07/2024 16:37

It is an insulting name for poor people. If you dared to say anything about middle class or upper class people as a group you would be pounced on and probably banned. But calling poor people names is fine.

user182937 · 19/07/2024 16:37

What else would you call someone who is clearly a chav? Can't stand the lot of them!

vincettenoir · 19/07/2024 16:37

TheaBrandt · 19/07/2024 16:34

The gentle souls who dislike the term have no doubt led sheltered lives away from such behaviour- lucky them!

That’s quite a reach.

Towelmode · 19/07/2024 16:36

The gentle souls who dislike the term have no doubt led sheltered lives away from such behaviour- lucky them!

l grew up in a then pretty rough part of inner London. Definitely sheltered, lol!

TheaBrandt · 19/07/2024 16:34

The gentle souls who dislike the term have no doubt led sheltered lives away from such behaviour- lucky them!

TheaBrandt · 19/07/2024 16:33

Yes it’s calling out behaviour which is easy to avoid. I internally judge a couple having a drunk screaming row at 3am and waking everyone else up as chavs - low class selfish grim behaviour.

longdistanceclaraclara · 19/07/2024 16:32

@Teentaxidriver I think you mean Chatham?!

mumbo34 · 19/07/2024 16:31

It's no worse than the other multitude of judgemental, insulting names people get called. I'd argue it's better because unlike being old or female or of a different race, people can usually choose not to be/act like a chav.

Skinglow · 19/07/2024 16:31

DramaAlpaca · 19/07/2024 16:27

It's a horrible, judgy word.

It's absolutely rife on the Baby Names board. I call it out or report it when I see it, but it's like trying to swim against the tide.

Same. I often call it out on the baby names board.

Towelmode · 19/07/2024 16:31

@PattyPan of course they would be wrong to look down on you but they would. They tended to ignore me until they saw me going into a house on one of the posh roads in our area & I then got a dinner invite 😆😆

TheaBrandt · 19/07/2024 16:30

Karen is older women specific so feels
unfair as you can’t help your age or sex. It is remarkably easy to avoid wearing EDL t shirts and chanting “shagaluf” repeatedly whilst drunk at an airport which is behaviour I witnessed yesterday and yes did cause me to conclude the chap was a chav.

TwattyMcFuckFace · 19/07/2024 16:30

YANBU but I'm a bit puzzled about this...

I understand its snobbiness but isn't it a bit horrible?

Snobbiness is more than a bit horrible, and shows the 'snob' in question to be generally uneducated and lacking in awareness.

So 'a bit horrible' makes no sense.

fetchacloth · 19/07/2024 16:29

I can't see the issue tbh. If the cap fits and all that 🤔

vincettenoir · 19/07/2024 16:29

I agree. I did use the word maybe ten years ago but I have wised up since then. Not acceptable.

OneTC · 19/07/2024 16:27

I don't like the word and I judge people that use it