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To think DH needs to pull his weight more

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Tabtabtabby · 19/07/2024 14:34

Hi everyone, looking for opinions on something I have been stewing over for ages. I think it's long, sorry.

DH and I have been married for 14 years and together for 16. He is 48 and I am 44. No kids, not for any real reason, just a combination of things (I know this is MN but I also value the honest advice so hope it's ok that I'm not actually a mum?).

Anyway, I have been working for 30 years now. My parents were very old-fashioned and insisted on me bringing an income into the home from when I was old enough to get a job. I was only allowed to stay on to do A levels providing I worked the equivalent of full-time and so was working 30 hours a week from the age of 16 onwards. Through uni I always worked, including 80 or 90 hours a week in the holidays.

I now have a very successful but very stressful job. I am expected to answer phone calls from junior staff day and night, always be on my emails, develop any new skill to support the business at the drop of a hat (I have just been put on a £5k professional diploma course without being asked and have had to then negotiate the time to attend the classes and the work). I am well paid for this and I am not trying to make out that I am hard done by. But the reality is that I am knackered and I feel like an old lady although I'm only 44. I am stressed, anxious, get depressed and have a therapist. I do feel I could burnout at any time.

DH works in a relatively low-skilled job, literally 8-5 M-F with an hour for lunch. No emails outside of work, no real responsibility. He earns about a third of what I do. I pay 2/3 of all our household expenses and have outgoings that he doesn't (I have a car, he can't drive; I'm expected to wear professional clothing at work which costs money, he has a uniform; I have to go to work events and conferences which I get reimbursed for but need money for upfront). I also spend a lot of money on health-related things that I feel I need (such as therapy, physio) while he doesn't have those kinds of costs. I am also putting a lot of my income into a pension (£500/month) for us to both live on when we retire as he has the auto-enrolment which he only started when he had to, when he was 40, and pays the minimum. We split most household chores 50/50, I cook a bit more because I enjoy it more. We also don't mind about what each spends our surplus income on.

DH has loads of skills, he is super literate and numerate, very clever, and quite frankly could do much better for work. However, every time I try to get him to consider changing jobs there is always a barrier. Not being able to drive is a big factor as it makes it hard to get to workplaces/be flexible but he adamantly won't learn. He won't consider any role which needs evening or weekend working. He isn't super IT literate and won't develop this although I have offered to fund training for him (in this or anything else). I recently started pushing him again to look for jobs and tbf he applied for a few but he always buggers the recruitment process up. He won't ask for advice from me (who recruits people as part of my job) or his sister who is a HR professional, so if he gets an interview he doesn't prepare and then just doesn't get the job. He seems to think if it doesn't fall into his lap then it's not meant to be.

Neither of us wants to change our lifestyle- we like our house and where we live although I worry about the cost of bills since everything has been going up. Our mortgage went up by £500 in January and I have been paying £400 of that. He leaves all the bills and that kind of admin to me and simply says he can't afford to give me any more money- but he also won't countenance restricting some of the things we like to do like going on holiday.

The thought of still doing this job (or one like it) for another 20 years fills me with dread. I don't think I have it in me. We are very happily married right now but this issue is starting to fester with me and I don't want to it to lead to me resenting him. I have tried to discuss it but he just says he's tried and we're fine because my job is secure (true) and I could be a bit less stressed (possibly true).

I am starting to think he just needs to suck it up and get a better paying job so that I can either cut my hours or look for a less stressful one- but AIBU?

OP posts:
littlegrebe · 19/07/2024 16:05

I earn quite a bit more than DH and I put more effort in, to my work and to keeping on top of our household finances. I'm not resentful, he is the man I married and I've always valued being able to stand on my own two feet, BUT I cannot in a million years imagine him behaving as yours does. To refuse to even discuss any of your very reasonable solutions to your stress levels while not doing or even suggesting an alternative is a fucking outrage.

It's not about whether it's ok to not be a high earner, it's about putting all the pressure of a shared problem onto one person and then getting in their way when they try to fix it - he's doing the equivalent of expecting you to change every single nappy and refusing to support potty training.

SD1978 · 19/07/2024 16:01

And as for him liking to go on holidays- surely you juts stop booking them if he can't afford them?

SD1978 · 19/07/2024 16:00

So he's happy for you to continue working like you do. To find the lifestyle he and you both have, but won't do anything to contribute more to it? I would be stressed at that too. Maybe you need to look for jobs less stressful and tell him that you will be selling the house to downsize the financial contribution you're having to make, and less luxuries full stop as currently he seems quite happy to continue the current lifestyle you have without doing anything at all to maintain it.

givemushypeasachance · 19/07/2024 15:58

You want different things out of life. If you separated, and took a less stressful lower paid job but just did what you want and lived how you want, and he did his own thing, wouldn't that be better? What do you get out of living with him?

Cinocino · 19/07/2024 15:57

TargetPractice11 · 19/07/2024 15:16

It's not as much earning power as effort.

He isn't matching her effort.

She's working herself into the ground to fund their lifestyle, he has a cushy life and isn't even doing most of the chores!

When she says she wants to match HIS effort by having a lower stress job- he says 'no'. He wants her to keep working the same to fund his lifestyle.

But why should one person have to work over and above, or do MOST of the chores around their full time job because the other spouse chooses to work ridiculous hours?
The reality is he isn’t stopping OP from changing jobs. “He won’t talk about it” what’s there to talk about? If she doesnt enjoy it then a more typical 9-5 is more realistic. Whats the point in killing yourself to the point of resentment and not enjoying life at the end of the day?

JLT24 · 19/07/2024 15:54

You have to get a new less stressful job, it’s unsustainable to carry on as you are.

You both need to cut your lifestyle to suit your new income. He will have no choice if the money just isn’t there to pay for things.

The bigger issue is his refusal to discuss it. Maybe he thinks you’ll try to force him into a better paid job which he clearly doesn’t want. Let him know you WILL be getting an easier job you don’t need his permission to do so. Identify some jobs you can go for, what the salary will be and put a joint financial plan together. If he’s not willing to do that then I’m afraid the marriage is over.

TemuSpecialBuy · 19/07/2024 15:52

FrivolousKitchenRollUse · 19/07/2024 15:37

This is very good advice. These threads are the absolute worst in mumsnet sexism. Low paid men are to be avoided. Low paid women should never be asked to earn/work more.

He does however need to temper his life expectations as a result.

This is why i suggested fair play

Societal norms suggest she is prob doing more than 50% at home which reinforces he should be doing more..

But if they do the game and he is doing 80/20 OR is happy to start doing 80/20 wellllllll maybe thats more equitable and OP should accept she has the more demanding job and he does more at home.

Either way i do think @IdLikeToBeAFraser has a point the job is a problem irrespective of how much your husband earns.

GabriellaMontez · 19/07/2024 15:49

Change jobs. Get something less stressful. You sound run off your feet.

Maybe then he'll reconsider his salary/downsizing/ luxuries.

Happily married !!! He certainly has a good deal.

Starlight1979 · 19/07/2024 15:49

Through uni I always worked, including 80 or 90 hours a week in the holidays.

You worked 90 hour weeks through the summer holidays at Uni? So 12-13 hours, 7 days a week???

TomatoSandwiches · 19/07/2024 15:46

@FrivolousKitchenRollUse I tend to find the low paid women are low paid because they also work inside the home more than their full time partners and of course cover childcare that goes unappreciated.

Ops situation is nothing like that.

I donthink her husband should have to get a different job but he can't expect the op to stay in a job that is ruining her health because he wants a lifestyle he can't or won't fund fairly himself.

FrivolousKitchenRollUse · 19/07/2024 15:37

Merryoldgoat · 19/07/2024 15:08

I don’t think it’s quite so black and white.

You need to separate the issues.

As a married couple you decided to join lives and finances. You earn more, the brunt of expenses will be borne by you. That’s just life. Either you have some kind of transactional arrangement or you just accept you’re a family and finances are joined.

I don’t understand the point of getting married and having this resentment given this is who he is and what he does. It would be like a banker marrying a nurse and getting pissed off she hasn’t got the same earning power. Salary isn’t an indication of the worthiness of a job.

You are not happy at work. You need to deal with that separate to your issues with your husband.

You cannot change him. You can’t make people change, so make a decision about what you want/need and if he’s not willing to work with you it’s time to move on.

This is very good advice. These threads are the absolute worst in mumsnet sexism. Low paid men are to be avoided. Low paid women should never be asked to earn/work more.

He does however need to temper his life expectations as a result.

easylikeasundaymorn · 19/07/2024 15:36

I think some posters are missing the point a bit

OP's DH would be 'pulling his weight' if they lived the type of lifestyle they could afford if OP had an easy, but low paid job like him.

However he's not pulling his weight for the lifestyle they actually have (big house, nice holidays etc) - a lifestyle it seems he primarily wants but OP primarily funds.

He sounds pretty selfish. He's getting nice holidays at the expense of his wife's happiness and stress levels and isn't willing to compromise at all.

IdLikeToBeAFraser · 19/07/2024 15:33

I think there are a couple of parallel issues here.

Re the job - I don't blame him for not wanting to take on more. He's got a happy comfortable life. However, I also don't balme you for not wanting to stick with the very stresful job. So as a couple, you need to be working out how you can either make your stress less (eg he picks up a lot more at home etc) or how you can afford for you to work in a less well paid role.

The second issue is that he seems to be burying his head int he sand about costs. Me and DH have seen our outgoings go up by at least 50% over the two years. In part, like you, we had a massive increase in our mortgage due to interest rates. Bills etc have gone up. We do have the added expense of children's activities which are increasing in both number and cost. We have cut back on so many things - we don't buy new clothes, we aren't eating out, we're watching the grocery spend etc etc - but the bills just keep gettin gbigger and bigger. He appears to be oblivious to this.

finally, if you have been subsidising for years, you get to decide you are not able to do that any more. I mean, for a start, if your bills have gone up, have your respective amount to pay in gone up proportionally? Doesn't sound like it if you're paying 80% of the increased mortgage vs just 20% for him. So at the very least, you should be insisting that the original proportions you agreed to must be stuck with - and he needs to fork up (and/or you both agree to cut back).

Re extras and nice things, cut back. You need a holiday - downgrade, or do al ong weekend with girlfriends and save money. If he's not contributing, fuck him.

MrsTerryPratchett · 19/07/2024 15:30

I know where PPs are coming from but when you start doing things like taking solo holidays to spite the other person, the marriage is really over. You can't go from shared finances to solo, it's the death of it.

However, he also can't refuse to discuss issues.

Everydayimhuffling · 19/07/2024 15:20

When he says, "we can't live on that" and you say, "I can't continue to live like this" what is his proposed solution? This needs a big discussion where he doesn't get to just shoot things down. He needs to be part of the solution, or he needs to get out of the way and let you change your lifestyle because this doesn't sound like it's working.

TomatoSandwiches · 19/07/2024 15:19

He doesncare about you so why do you care about funding his wants?
He is willing to see you burn yourself out and ruin your health so long as he gets what he wants without having to fund it.

You need to look after yourself first op because this isn't a partnership is it, everything is unfairly balanced.

TargetPractice11 · 19/07/2024 15:16

Merryoldgoat · 19/07/2024 15:08

I don’t think it’s quite so black and white.

You need to separate the issues.

As a married couple you decided to join lives and finances. You earn more, the brunt of expenses will be borne by you. That’s just life. Either you have some kind of transactional arrangement or you just accept you’re a family and finances are joined.

I don’t understand the point of getting married and having this resentment given this is who he is and what he does. It would be like a banker marrying a nurse and getting pissed off she hasn’t got the same earning power. Salary isn’t an indication of the worthiness of a job.

You are not happy at work. You need to deal with that separate to your issues with your husband.

You cannot change him. You can’t make people change, so make a decision about what you want/need and if he’s not willing to work with you it’s time to move on.

It's not as much earning power as effort.

He isn't matching her effort.

She's working herself into the ground to fund their lifestyle, he has a cushy life and isn't even doing most of the chores!

When she says she wants to match HIS effort by having a lower stress job- he says 'no'. He wants her to keep working the same to fund his lifestyle.

Onelifeonly22 · 19/07/2024 15:16

You can’t force him to take a different job and I don’t think you should suggest it - that would have to come from him. However, you can tell him you can’t keep doing your current job. If you think him doing more at home would help then you could say that. Otherwise say you are looking for a new job and therefore you will likely need to reduce spending as a couple. Your contribution will need to reduce accordingly - his should stay same or go up depending on your new salary. He can’t just say no! Maybe do an annual holiday with a friend.
also i think you should explore changes you can make in existing role before you give up job - someone senior shouldn’t be fielding calls from more junior people at all hours. If they are more junior, you should be able to set the boundaries or tell your work it isn’t sustainable. I think you need to address both the partner and current job! He should care about your well being more than ‘things’ - esp given no kids in the mix to provide for.

Mickey79 · 19/07/2024 15:14

I think you should look at changing your job for a less stressful one, even if it means a pay cut and making lifestyle changes. Your dh sounds like someone who is happy in his job, doesn’t have a lot of work stress and isn’t ambitious. He’s absolutely allowed to feel that way. But he should not expect you to fund a lifestyle that he, quite frankly cant afford. His choices are to either help fund the current lifestyle by stepping out of his comfort zone work wise or to give up the holidays etc that you currently fund.

Saintmariesleuth · 19/07/2024 15:14

You sound ready to burn out OP. Definitely start looking for another job. Don't ask your husband- just do it.

Your husband can't have things all ways - either the household expenses need to come down, or he needs to earn more.

What has he actually said when you've told him your are becoming ill and need to change your job?

I agree with other posters- the lack of concern for your welfare and willingness to find solutions would be ringing alarm bells for me.

Drizzlethru · 19/07/2024 15:10

Tabtabtabby · 19/07/2024 14:57

He can't drive. It's my car.

If we paid for everything 50/50 then we would have to make changes that he won't discuss making, I would be prepared to make them but he won't talk about it.

But ultimately he will have to. You have a right to not fund his lifestyle. And to take a job with same hours and pay as his.

GingerPirate · 19/07/2024 15:10

Whoa, no kids (like me)?
I would leave.
Full stop.

StewartGriffin · 19/07/2024 15:09

"True, but I want to go on holiday because I need the break!!!"

@Tabtabtabby then go on holiday but don't take him. Don't forget that being someone's partner is not just about the finances-it's also about having the other person's best interests at heart. It's about being a team and taking care of each other. He is prepared to watch you work yourself into the ground because he's enjoying the fruits of your labour while you're struggling to keep your head above water and having therapy because of the stress. Fuck that. You might need to keep paying the mortgage and bills but there's nothing to say anyone needs a holiday. So from now on, go on holiday on your own or with friends etc. and he can stay at home.

TemuSpecialBuy · 19/07/2024 15:08

I have done as you suggest in the past. Maybe 3-4 years ago pre covid. Worked out a budget and everything. Admittedly not recently. He basically said 'we can't live on that'.

😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫
What he meant is "i want to mooch off you"

Re holidays i would be booking g adventures or solo holidays. What a cheeky fucker....

Issthiswrong · 19/07/2024 15:08

He's got a very cushty life. He's benefitting from you killing yourself at work, getting to live a life of luxury, while simultaneously getting a easy no stress job and doesn't even have to pick up more of the housework because of it. He does half, but has more free time and less stress so he's not actually doing his share. You earn more so you pay more, he works less so should do more.

You are going to grow to resent him more and more.

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