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Tabtabtabby · 19/07/2024 14:34

Hi everyone, looking for opinions on something I have been stewing over for ages. I think it's long, sorry.

DH and I have been married for 14 years and together for 16. He is 48 and I am 44. No kids, not for any real reason, just a combination of things (I know this is MN but I also value the honest advice so hope it's ok that I'm not actually a mum?).

Anyway, I have been working for 30 years now. My parents were very old-fashioned and insisted on me bringing an income into the home from when I was old enough to get a job. I was only allowed to stay on to do A levels providing I worked the equivalent of full-time and so was working 30 hours a week from the age of 16 onwards. Through uni I always worked, including 80 or 90 hours a week in the holidays.

I now have a very successful but very stressful job. I am expected to answer phone calls from junior staff day and night, always be on my emails, develop any new skill to support the business at the drop of a hat (I have just been put on a £5k professional diploma course without being asked and have had to then negotiate the time to attend the classes and the work). I am well paid for this and I am not trying to make out that I am hard done by. But the reality is that I am knackered and I feel like an old lady although I'm only 44. I am stressed, anxious, get depressed and have a therapist. I do feel I could burnout at any time.

DH works in a relatively low-skilled job, literally 8-5 M-F with an hour for lunch. No emails outside of work, no real responsibility. He earns about a third of what I do. I pay 2/3 of all our household expenses and have outgoings that he doesn't (I have a car, he can't drive; I'm expected to wear professional clothing at work which costs money, he has a uniform; I have to go to work events and conferences which I get reimbursed for but need money for upfront). I also spend a lot of money on health-related things that I feel I need (such as therapy, physio) while he doesn't have those kinds of costs. I am also putting a lot of my income into a pension (£500/month) for us to both live on when we retire as he has the auto-enrolment which he only started when he had to, when he was 40, and pays the minimum. We split most household chores 50/50, I cook a bit more because I enjoy it more. We also don't mind about what each spends our surplus income on.

DH has loads of skills, he is super literate and numerate, very clever, and quite frankly could do much better for work. However, every time I try to get him to consider changing jobs there is always a barrier. Not being able to drive is a big factor as it makes it hard to get to workplaces/be flexible but he adamantly won't learn. He won't consider any role which needs evening or weekend working. He isn't super IT literate and won't develop this although I have offered to fund training for him (in this or anything else). I recently started pushing him again to look for jobs and tbf he applied for a few but he always buggers the recruitment process up. He won't ask for advice from me (who recruits people as part of my job) or his sister who is a HR professional, so if he gets an interview he doesn't prepare and then just doesn't get the job. He seems to think if it doesn't fall into his lap then it's not meant to be.

Neither of us wants to change our lifestyle- we like our house and where we live although I worry about the cost of bills since everything has been going up. Our mortgage went up by £500 in January and I have been paying £400 of that. He leaves all the bills and that kind of admin to me and simply says he can't afford to give me any more money- but he also won't countenance restricting some of the things we like to do like going on holiday.

The thought of still doing this job (or one like it) for another 20 years fills me with dread. I don't think I have it in me. We are very happily married right now but this issue is starting to fester with me and I don't want to it to lead to me resenting him. I have tried to discuss it but he just says he's tried and we're fine because my job is secure (true) and I could be a bit less stressed (possibly true).

I am starting to think he just needs to suck it up and get a better paying job so that I can either cut my hours or look for a less stressful one- but AIBU?

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JoyousPinkPeer · 24/07/2024 09:24

I would insist that he ups his pension contributions and he would have to contribute more than a third. His choices need to impact more on him so there are consequences for him.

rookiemere · 24/07/2024 09:16

Bourneo · 24/07/2024 08:27

Oh OP, you sound at breaking point and I agree, you can't go on another few years like this, never mind 20.

He is being incredibly unreasonable to not even discuss moving to a cheaper location or changing lifestyle.

But I also think, you can't expect him to get a higher paid job, if he's not motivated to do so. It'll cause more resentment.

Who initiates the expensive activities/holidays? Stop booking them, put the money aside for moving costs/buffer zone for a new job. If he says he wants to book, tell him he'll have to fund it himself, as you are preparing to move/ find a lower paid job.

Can you take a few months off on stress and reflect on what you really want out of life? Cus life is way to short to be on call 24/7 and this stressed. It will help you slow down and realise what you really want out of life. And it may help you see his perspective, why would he want a job that will make his life harder.

By you refusing to contribute to extra things that make him have a life style above his pay packet, hopefully he'll also realise that he is being very unreasonable to expect you to work yourself into the ground so he can have nice things.

Then hopefully you can find a way forward together. If not, he's not got your best interests at heart and I suggest you find a cheap house in a quiet village and an easy job, where you can enjoy the simple things in life. Like not being attached to your emails 24/7.

This is very good advice as you can't change others, only yourself.

Tiswa · 24/07/2024 09:06

You need to say you are stepping down and getting a new job like his and that changes will have to happen to lifestyle

he has every right not to get a new job he cannot though not listen to you when you are saying it is your right to change yours and get something better for you
he then has choices step up into the void or help with sorting out your finances

EatTheGnome · 24/07/2024 08:58

You do know you're basically pushing him the way your parents pushed you? You're repeating that patrern of behaviour and you don't sound all that happy for it.

Why isnhim changing the only option? Why not consider splitting up or reducing your hours? Or is walking away failing?

No, you shouldn't do 2/thirds, my point is that making him changes isn't the only choice.

SuncreamAndIceCream · 24/07/2024 08:53

Tabtabtabby · 19/07/2024 14:57

He can't drive. It's my car.

If we paid for everything 50/50 then we would have to make changes that he won't discuss making, I would be prepared to make them but he won't talk about it.

Do you never drive him around? Go on holiday in the car?

I don't drive but my DH does and all car- related expenses except petrol for his work journeys come out of the joint account. You shouldn't be forking out for everything to do with the car.

Eleganz · 24/07/2024 08:47

I do wonder if this is a reverse.

Naunet · 24/07/2024 08:39

Swisscave · 19/07/2024 14:45

YABVU

You sound like a stressful person to be around and it sounds like you already resent him.

You knew what you got when you married him. However, you are now mid forties and having a mid life crisis and seem to be blaming him.

Why are your stress levels dependent on his job? What is glaringly obvious is this- spending money on health related things you ‘feel’ you need. That will be a couple hundred at least a month you’re wasting and I guarantee the therapy has lead to this level of navel gazing. Therapy should come with a warning!

Accept him for who he is or leave. Your stress levels are your problem, not his.

They’ll very much be his problem if she quits her job to find a lower paying stress free role like he has. Or would that be unfair to the poor man?

Emmz1510 · 24/07/2024 08:38

He works 8-5, Monday to Friday. In what universe is that lazy??
Its you who need to find some way to strike a better work life balance.

Bourneo · 24/07/2024 08:29

I would also suggest using your time off work to reflect on what he brings to the relationship? Are you happy? Or have you been to busy to notice other cracks? It's a red flag that he's happy for you to work yourself into the ground for his happiness.

Bourneo · 24/07/2024 08:27

Oh OP, you sound at breaking point and I agree, you can't go on another few years like this, never mind 20.

He is being incredibly unreasonable to not even discuss moving to a cheaper location or changing lifestyle.

But I also think, you can't expect him to get a higher paid job, if he's not motivated to do so. It'll cause more resentment.

Who initiates the expensive activities/holidays? Stop booking them, put the money aside for moving costs/buffer zone for a new job. If he says he wants to book, tell him he'll have to fund it himself, as you are preparing to move/ find a lower paid job.

Can you take a few months off on stress and reflect on what you really want out of life? Cus life is way to short to be on call 24/7 and this stressed. It will help you slow down and realise what you really want out of life. And it may help you see his perspective, why would he want a job that will make his life harder.

By you refusing to contribute to extra things that make him have a life style above his pay packet, hopefully he'll also realise that he is being very unreasonable to expect you to work yourself into the ground so he can have nice things.

Then hopefully you can find a way forward together. If not, he's not got your best interests at heart and I suggest you find a cheap house in a quiet village and an easy job, where you can enjoy the simple things in life. Like not being attached to your emails 24/7.

Muminthebluecoat · 24/07/2024 08:08

Tbh I'm surprised how many people have said you are not being unreasonable!!

You are no happy in your job to the extent you need therapy and admit your taken advantage of but you expect your partner to do the same.

You say he won't change his lifestyle but then say he'd happily not have a holiday (which is usually the biggest yearly expense) but you want one regardless.

He doesn't drive which affects where he can work but would also be an additional cost to run two cars.

Is he happy in his job/life? If so why would he want to change that especially when he sees you so unhappy and stressed. Why would you want that for him.

You either need to speak to your work and discuss boundaries and work life balance especially where you are being taken advantage of.

You say there's no jobs out there on similar pay that you are qualified for. Have you spoken to recruitment agencies etc? There may not be loads of jobs if it's a niche area but there would be something eventually even if not straight away. Could you retrain in something yli actually enjoy doing?

Ultimately if he doesn't want you to get a different job that would mean any sacrifice then he is being unreasonable but at the minute you sound resentful that he has a job he enjoys and only want him to get a different one so he can suffer like you.

Throwawayaccount1 · 24/07/2024 05:15

You're 'on call' essentially all the time? You really shouldn't be, that's insane and never allows you to have proper down time. It will make you ill. Please talk to you employer about this, the business should be able to function while you're not in your working hours. promise me you'll do this.

Edenmum2 · 20/07/2024 03:22

I have done as you suggest in the past. Maybe 3-4 years ago pre covid. Worked out a budget and everything. Admittedly not recently. He basically said 'we can't live on that'.

That's not his decision to make. I really really don't understand how two people working full time with no children can't live a comfortable lifestyle without one of them on constant burnout. If it's an option for you to cut your workload - do it. Never mind about him, you will have less money but you will be happier yes? Or maybe you would be happier without him? You don't exactly speak about him glowingly

Gymnopedie · 20/07/2024 01:21

Cheesandcrackers · 19/07/2024 22:52

Sounds like your employer is taking advantage of you. Also sounds like your DH is in a bit of a rut but don't think it's fair to blame him for earning less than u.

OP isn't blaming him for earning less. The issue is that he demands a lifestyle which can only be achieved by her working herself into the ground, won't even discuss her changing to a less challenging job because it means she'll earn less, flatly refuses to forego any of the benefits to which he clearly thinks he's entitled, and won't do anything at all to make a contribution towards affording that lifestyle.

slapdashsusie · 20/07/2024 00:34

He seems to wield a lot of decision making power, every comment you have posted is you saying “I want X but he just won’t agree”.

You need to toughen up and start telling, not asking.

He can suck up no holidays and treats and a huge home until he coughs up and starts acting like an actual partner and not a whining child who just says “but I don’t want to”.

Swisscave · 19/07/2024 23:06

Well he wasn’t going to be on a higher wage now was he? So he was either on a lower salary or the same. His name is on the mortgage so they would have to assess his income and see if the they could afford it. OP went ahead with the mortgage.

MrsTerryPratchett · 19/07/2024 23:04

Swisscave · 19/07/2024 22:23

She married him presumably with that job. He’s been paying the same mortgage for years. She choose to get married, get the mortgage with him. He isn’t going to bring more money in. Only she has the power to control her situation

When DH and I met, he was unemployed. He isn't still unemployed. What bizarre logic.

Cheesandcrackers · 19/07/2024 22:52

Sounds like your employer is taking advantage of you. Also sounds like your DH is in a bit of a rut but don't think it's fair to blame him for earning less than u.

TheShiningCarpet · 19/07/2024 22:42

If we paid for everything 50/50 then we would have to make changes that he won't discuss making, I would be prepared to make them but he won't talk about it.

this is the root of the problem… what’ a lazy cocklodger. You are supposed to be a team.

AreYouBrandNew · 19/07/2024 22:36

Tabtabtabby · 19/07/2024 21:17

I run three businesses on behalf of the owner. I am overall responsible for everything.

You are being used by this business owner to line their pockets.

you need to deal with this and the historic issues (working 80-90 hour weeks as a teenager is v demanding)

DH is coasting though.

BonifaceBonanza · 19/07/2024 22:36

You look at the jobs and salaries and work out the pay cut.
You work out what you would cut from
your family expenditure if it was up to you to choose.
Is it affordable? Could you still enjoy your lives a little?
Then you tell him you need to change your job and you’re going to start applying with a view to starting in 3 months.
Ask him, does he prefer to get a better paid job or cut the luxuries?
Frankly if you change your job the ball will be in his court won’t it as if he doesn’t get a better paid job he’ll have to give up luxuries

Swisscave · 19/07/2024 22:23

She married him presumably with that job. He’s been paying the same mortgage for years. She choose to get married, get the mortgage with him. He isn’t going to bring more money in. Only she has the power to control her situation

Spirallingdownwards · 19/07/2024 22:20

Swisscave · 19/07/2024 14:45

YABVU

You sound like a stressful person to be around and it sounds like you already resent him.

You knew what you got when you married him. However, you are now mid forties and having a mid life crisis and seem to be blaming him.

Why are your stress levels dependent on his job? What is glaringly obvious is this- spending money on health related things you ‘feel’ you need. That will be a couple hundred at least a month you’re wasting and I guarantee the therapy has lead to this level of navel gazing. Therapy should come with a warning!

Accept him for who he is or leave. Your stress levels are your problem, not his.

If she pays 2/3 and he pays 1/3 why does he think he need only pay 1/5 of rhe mortgage increase. He is living off her. If he isn't prepared to step up then yes the OP should leave. Why do you think she should take the brunt of the responsibility to prepare for retirement?

Merryoldgoat · 19/07/2024 22:15

Tabtabtabby · 19/07/2024 21:17

I run three businesses on behalf of the owner. I am overall responsible for everything.

So why don’t you hire some proper help?

Tabtabtabby · 19/07/2024 21:17

Merryoldgoat · 19/07/2024 20:46

@Tabtabtabby

Why does being heavily relied upon mean
those hours are normal? What do you do?

I’m heavily relied upon and I’ve been called after hours or on the weekend maybe 3 times in 10 years.

I run three businesses on behalf of the owner. I am overall responsible for everything.

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