coach driver had to swear at and threaten school children to make them put seat belts on

Why is it the 'system' and 'education' who have let them down?
I'd say the system lets down all the children and teachers who are seen as collateral to all the wooly pandering and total lack of consequences to the verbally and physically aggressive, abusive, violent pupils and families.

Its generally the parents/teachers that give up when their DC are being little shits that cause these issues with the breakdown in relationships. Thank god for people like @runbunny picking up these DC that have been failed.

hope the 7 teachers have been fired as well.

This is an example though of the world not bending to accommodate you.

Yes, some people cope better than others in all sorts of situations for all sorts of reasons.

I'll be told I'm a bleeding heart, but you listen and understand. When you hear these kids' stories, you realise they're not little shits, but they do have really shitty lives and it's amazing many of them cope as well as they do, so you do what you can to improve them. Build relationships.

@DuplicateUserName
Haha no 🙄

If you want to build a relationship with anyone calling you a cunt and throwing chairs at you, during the course of your working day, you crack on.

Well said @DuplicateUserName. Loads of kids from shitty backgrounds don't treat others like shit.

I will thank you. That's a few seconds of their day and I'm perfectly prepared to understand that the CSE/DV they've experienced, and the way the system has let them down, entitles them to feel furious at times. Then enjoy the times when they want to talk about their hopes and dreams, even though the world has done its best to knock those out of them.

7 teachers on that bus and they had kids smoking, getting up and walking about and behaving badly.

Complete failure on the part of the teaching staff. I can empathise with how frustrated the driver must have been feeling, he was supposed to be focused on driving and instead he had a load of kids old enough to know better acting like little gits while 7 adults who were responsible for managing the kids apparently ignored it.

Having said that he was over the top in how he demonstrated his frustration, he should have been able to rein his temper in and manage his own behaviour better than he did.

And this will result in no school trip or extra curricular things anymore, because you can't exclude the little cherubs from taking part because as is oft stated here, consequences should never happen for any level of behaviour, because its so damaging for them to be told they have done something wrong, and of course if what they have done is wrong? They've been failed and its someone else's fault!

The expectation that someone should build an infinite amount of fuck around time into their working day and business model is astonishing. These aren’t toddlers.

I'll be told I'm a bleeding heart, but you listen and understand. When you hear these kids' stories, you realise they're not little shits, but they do have really shitty lives and it's amazing many of them cope as well as they do, so you do what you can to improve them. Build relationships.

Haha no 🙄

If you want to build a relationship with anyone calling you a cunt and throwing chairs at you, during the course of your working day, you crack on.

I should say this is all alongside firm boundaries and consistent consequences. It's not all about being nice.

If that had been a PRU bus where I work (it would have been much smaller, which helps), only those children who had demonstrated they were able to behave in school would have been invited on the trip, children who didn't comply before they left school would have been left behind, and there would have been a contingency to remove and return any misbehaving children to school, long before they could "infect" the whole bus.

Yeah, imagine all the pearl clutchers on here if the bus had been held up for several hours and their little treasures didn't get home til late/ missed their bus home/ missed their lunch/ important exam etc etc etc

People need to remember the coach providers don’t owe anyone anything. Is a paid service that operates on the coach providers terms.

People saying he should have “pulled over and waited” for how long? What if he had another job to get to? Who’s paying for his time? It’s ridiculous.

I agree he went too far but think he was probably trying to regain control of a situation he had lost control of and thought throwing his weight around was the only option he had.

Of course, I said it's all caused by multiple issues, but you can't pretend this school isn't failing these kids.

All the complainers - how are the teachers and drivers supposed to get the little shits to comply with the road regulations.
One child could result in a bus being held up for hours/ days if they decided not to put their seatbelt on.

The driver crossed the line, however as someone who works in this industry i can tell you that this behavior is not uncommon. In the past few months we have had -

Water bottles thrown at drivers when the vehicle was moving
Lazer pointers
seat belts deliberately tried to be cut through with compasses
Fabric on the back of seats completely ripped off
Vehicles having to be taken off the road as it has taken hours to clean food thrown around
chewing gum stick on seat and windows
chewing gum deliberately wedged into seatbelt clips so they no longer work.
Teachers who walk off the coach ignoring the litter and rubbish where kids have thrown stuff.

We have begged schools, begged parents to deal with it. Begged councils - threatened to not run services to which we are told we will be in breach of contract if we do.

We have swallowed thousands of pounds worth or damages, lost thousands in income having to take vehicles off road to repair deliberate damages.

The industry is on its arse as it is, and it is more than frustrating when a new vehicle 9 which can be anything between £270,000 and £330,000 is being destroyed by 'little darlings' and nothing is ever done about it -

And this is both School trips, home to School and Private Schools - they are all the same.

They were smoking too - those naughty little cherubs.

Why 'Let down by their education'? No personal or parental responsibilities for their behaviour?

I suspect he had already asked, been ignored and wasn’t effectively backed up by the teachers several times before he escalated to this.

Seriously kids smoking and not wearing seatbelts with 7 teachers on board is pathetic. He shouldn’t have had to resort to this behaviour. He is probably being diligent in that if children aren’t wearing seatbelts he has overall liability as the driver.

Definitely not ideal. But if your kids are sat at the back smoking and back chatting in view of the driver AND their teachers then I’m sure this won’t damage them.

I'll be told I'm a bleeding heart, but you listen and understand. When you hear these kids' stories, you realise they're not little shits, but they do have really shitty lives and it's amazing many of them cope as well as they do, so you do what you can to improve them. Build relationships.

Much easier to do in a PRU with high staff to children ratios, and where much of the day is dedicated to doing just that, than it is in mainstream, of course.

The kids on this bus probably don't all have that excuse, but seems fairly clear they're all being let down by their education, with completely ineffective teachers in charge of their wellbeing.

Our school bus driver used to make it clear - any misbehaving and he’s stop the bus and kick out EVERY school child. He did too, frequently. It was extremely effective when we were abandoned 20 min walk from home in the rain!

Isn’t this the same school where the girls recorded themselves standing up to the teachers on gender ideology?
I might be totally wrong

Yeah all those 15 year old toddlers who needed mollycoddled in to putting out their smokes and putting on their seatbelts. Mummy’s pecious ickle pwinces 😉