Disorder in Leeds

Honestly there are people on here more upset by Farage saying stuff than by a bunch of arseholes burning and wrecking their own area. Because poor poppets racism something something.

Yup. Every honest person knows "the subcontinent" generally refers to the Indian subcontinent.

And even if that were not the case, Farage has repeatedly referenced "politics of the subcontinent" in relation to India. As a PP posted, he did so in a GB News segment last year, he has also tweeted the phrase earlier this year:

https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1781383356237664394

Honestly there are people on here more upset by Farage saying stuff than by a bunch of arseholes burning and wrecking their own area. Because poor poppets racism something something.

Great thank you, interesting interview. He certainly uses that phrase there in relation to the politics of the Indian subcontinent, as that is what the interview is about, and I presume that is what you meant. So I now understand why it may have been assumed that is what he meant here, so thank you for that.

I am not a listener of GB News or most other political debates, as I am sick of politicians repeatedly slagging each other off without providing effective plans or solutions themselves. I have never heard him use that phrase and know his primary concerns have been mass unintegrated immigration and European policy facilitating that, so that is what his words conveyed to me. I don’t use Twitx or other social media.

I still don’t know where you get Muslims from, as the Indian subcontinent has a number of religions / power groups. However interesting that it seems, that what you and others assumed he meant, was, I think it is fair to say, exactly what was going on at the same time in London with Bangladesh protests and fighting.

I did find that interview quite disturbing as it starkly underlines the extent of the passion for bringing foreign politics (like the issue of Kashmir) onto our streets, by those more strongly aligned to issues about their country of ethnic origin seemingly rather than putting our own country’s interests first. He was quite aggressively disrupting a cinema showing because he did not agree with part of the text. He denied he would break the law, but talked about being trained from birth to protect their values and would do anything in his power physical, mental or financial. Which pretty much underlines some of the issues I made on page 20.

sir keir seemed very derisive of one rule for them and another for the rest of us, so let’s hope he makes sure he sticks to the same rules for all of us, without for instance winding back the equality of women and protection of children. Otherwise it would indeed be a very prejudiced society on an issue that is exercising much of Europe (the sub continent)

Yup. Every honest person knows "the subcontinent" generally refers to the Indian subcontinent.

And even if that were not the case, Farage has repeatedly referenced "politics of the subcontinent" in relation to India. As a PP posted, he did so in a GB News segment last year, he has also tweeted the phrase earlier this year:

https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1781383356237664394

I certainly wasn’t pretending, I am not sure anyone else was either.

I did not vote Reform, but in Labours landslide victory it should be kept in mind

• that only 20% of the electorate voted Labour
• Jeremy when he lost, got more votes than Sir Keir
• for every 10 people that voted Labour over. 4 voted Reform
• Reform only got just over 1% of the seats that Labour did for over 40% of the votes that Labour got

My point is this is a big issue that needs to be handled carefully and name calling is not the way to reach consensus. But anyway that is for a different thread

Tell me where he even said or implied Muslim. What is this issue about the politics of the subcontinent - what are you saying it referred to

Sorry for the GB News link, but it shows that Farage has used the phrase “subcontinent politics” previously and what he means by it.

www.gbnews.com/news/nigel-farage-birmingham-muslim-news-world-latest

God, the absolute weasels pretending Farage was referring to the subcontinent of Europe.

Of veracity you are the only person who has ever heard "the subcontinent" and thought Europe.

If you google "the subcontinent" what comes up?

A news report a while back actually had the estimate at over double the census figures.

I believe for most of us the issue seems to be with Eastern European Roma (most likely the sub continent Farage speaks of). Of course it is not all of them causing issues. But from what happened in Leeds, what myself and a pp have witnessed in Glasgow. There seems to be a sufficient amount not adhering to UK laws and cultural expectations.

This is about the disorder in Leeds. A prominent MP and leader of Reform spreads disinformation about it.

There are over 100,000 Roma people in the UK (according to the last census)

"There clearly is a problem with Roma and no one seems to have a clue how to address this"

Do you think there's a problem with all of them? Some of them. Or are you going to generalise?

In no way to I think every Roma family was doing this to their children, and I do understand that the Roma community experience prejudice and racism (a lot of work has been done in Glasgow to tackle this) but no one should be ignoring children being forced to sit alone, in the cold and rain, begging for money.

It wasn't just shoplifting and begging - there were families prostituting their children on the streets of Govanhill. People reporting it got accused of racism.

I think talking about Farage is a distraction. The bottom line is there are people not obeying the law and they are getting away with it. There clearly is a problem with Roma and no one seems to have a clue how to address this. “Cultural” should not be a literal get out of jail free card, and certainly should not be a passport past a nation’s child protection laws.

So well said. This imo was the major reason Brexit came about. Prior to opening borders to Countries with a far different economic state than our own most of us were happy with the free trade agreements we had.

This is a problem we have built up ourselves. Look around the world and all the major causes of wars and conflict. You are not in our group / gang / culture call it what you will. (Of course conflicts are largely about power, but the group is the rallying cry)

The ideal is we just don’t care and get on wonderfully, and that works to some extent, especially when ingrained cultural norms and rules are similar, or can be understood and accepted. But as our wonderful poster of Italian origin points out there are deep blood roots to your culture and that is where loyalties often primarily lie. It is just human nature.

Are we saving people from conflicts /poverty, or with mass immigration are we just importing the conflicts as the separate communities build up and some want to build their own culture on their own patches of the UK, and are ready to fight for their own strong rules of acceptability, that may be quite different, and cause conflict with various other groups and our laws and social norms.

Do we for example set UK foreign policy on what is right for this country, or what the noisiest group living here but with strongest affiliations to other countries, cultures, religions dictate. Look at the recent riots and fighting in London over Bangladesh. How much resource is all this conflict consuming and who is paying for it at what cost to essential services.

In some ways this must be most distressing to immigrants that have through the toil and tribulations of years, settled, established and integrated within our communities as valued members of our society. Also to those newer immigrants who just want to fit in and make a life here.

The Guardian article from 2018 is interesting.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/nov/03/roma-tire-shouldering-blame-boiling-pot-communities

OK in the English language subcontinent means part of a continent (any part of any continent)

in Geographical terms several areas are generally formally classed as subcontinents, Europe is one of them (considered to be part of Eurasia)

Now given Nigel’s penchant for the EU and mass immigration I assume the subcontinent he refers to is Europe, and the politics he refers to are the politics of mass immigration, and referring to the dangers of that (much as I did in my post on page 20).

Of course excluding any recent radical continental drift, I am assuming Romania is still in Europe but that is largely irrelevant to his point I would think.

Tony B was fixated on making the EU a “superpower”, globalisation, and the (short term IMHO) economic gains, when he pushed and pushed for the massive Eastern EU expansion of 2004 and 2007. Of course concerns over the effects of mass immigration without integration are real, obvious and have been shown through academic studies, but Tony had more important objectives. Immigration from the first tranche in 2004 and 2005 alone was 20 times that estimated.

“In retrospect, if the government had known just how large this wave of migration would be, it would have undoubtedly made a different decision, as Jack Straw, the former home secretary admitted in 2013”

I really don’t care what Farage has to say about anything.

If there are social issues to address, we (the country) should address them. Even if they’re difficult and sensitive.

But without reference to any views expressed by that half-wit.