Disorder in Leeds

Which I graciously acknowledged and thanked you for and understood from that why you and others thought he was referring to the Indian sub continent.

As I explained I had never heard him discussing that before (not an adherent of that channel, which I assume goes for many). But I gave sound logical reasons why on reading the comment I assumed he meant Europe and the politics of immigration both of which are his raison d”etre.

I requested an explanation of alternative explanations but just got random meaningless comments until your reply.

However for those that only have abuse and slander, I find it difficult to give any credit to anything they espouse, and that is why politics has become so toxic.

Just a few examples of Farage's racist remarks :

His claim that some Muslim immigrants are 'coming here to take us over'
In 2013, Farage said he supported Muslim immigrants who “integrate” into society, but not those who are “coming here to take us over”.
When he agreed with the 'basic principle' of Enoch Powell’s Rivers of Blood speech
In 2014, he said that the “basic principle” of Enoch Powell’s infamous anti-immigration Rivers of Blood speech was correct.
Saying he felt 'uncomfortable' hearing foreign languages on the Tube
In a 2014 interview on LBC, Farage said he felt "uncomfortable" when he heard people speaking other languages on London transport.

Well - he either saw Romanians in the video and tweeted about Europe and the politics of the sub continent (referring to Europe)

or he thought he saw Muslims rioting and was referring to the Indian sub continent and the politics from there.

Occam's Razor

ofVeracity
"I am sorry I don’t get the Chinese comment in your other post. Is it something Nigel said. If so what does it mean?!

He defended Ukip candidate Kerry Smith for using the word "ch**ky" to describe a Chinese person. "If you and your mates were going out for a Chinese, what do you say you’re going for?" he asked.

I am neither, but elegant cerebral argument, oh sorry my mistake just abuse and prejudice.

I am sorry I don’t get the Chinese comment in your other post. Is it something Nigel said. If so what does it mean?

presume your response is as empty as Google then

I made a perfectly valid assumption supported by clear logical evidence. But if you wish to go on making false and slanderous accusations keep digging

Let me help you with your validation of your other unsubstantiated statement

Question. What do you understand by the term the subcontinent
Answer. Well it is a part of a continent, so depends which continent you are referring to.

"If you and your mates were going out for a Chinese, what do you say you’re going for?" he asked.

No that's you and your mates Nigel

I don't see much point in citing examples of Farage's racism to someone who has already shown that they'll bend over backwards to excuse it.

Could you give me some examples of when Nigel was deliberately racist.

I did do an internet search but unfortunately Google was not my friend in quickly finding any quotes, but I assume you must know some given your comment

i think it is good to know the facts about our politicians. Of course all the conservative stuff and I remember seeing an interview where Sir Keir blatantly lied to a group of young school children.

You're both dishonest and disingenuous

I would say that most people when asked what the sub continent refers to would think of India and Pakistan instead of Europe.

Especially given what Farage has said in the past.

Not backing away at all.

If you google "the subcontinent" - what results do you get?

It is genuinely hard to believe that anyone with any sort of grasp of the English language and geography could think the phrase referenced anything other than the Indian subcontinent.

beep beep beep, backing off from calling me dishonest now?

I have a reasonably sound grasp of both the English language and geography and I explained the meaning of subcontinent under both. Given Nigel’s preoccupation with Euro politics and immigration I would say the logic was quite sound and I explained it carefully. It took a while for anyone to accede to my request to explain what they understood it to mean, there was much talk of Romania to begin with which made no sense in relation to the comment.

Quite interested in your absolute comment …
“given that most people know and understand the phrase "the subcontinent" to refer to the Indian subcontinent”

Been down the high street taking an exhaustive sample, or are you just another person presenting assumptions as fact, and worse still calling others dishonest on the back of it.

I'm from Swansea and we had very similar (probably larger) riots a few years ago. I don't seem to recall a rush to hold any particular community "accountable" back then...

If that was the incident I'm thinking of, it was pretty disgraceful as well. I'm not a fan of any communities acting like tits.

I'm from Swansea and we had very similar (probably larger) riots a few years ago. I don't seem to recall a rush to hold any particular community "accountable" back then...

I have been talking about Farage and his stirring up the issues with his comments about "the sub continent and the politics of the sub continent".

I also don't hold an entire community accountable for the actions of some of the members of that community.

Just as I don't hold members of the community where I live accountable for the actions of some of the members of the community towards people and the police around here.

If you hold an entire community responsible for the actions of some members of that community, then I think that's an issue.

I think we'll have to question the soundness of your rationale, given that most people know and understand the phrase "the subcontinent" to refer to the Indian subcontinent (and, even for those unaware, a cursory google would have confirmed the same).

Life there is hard enough without people like Farage et al wading in.

I'd imagine it's hard enough without rioting and burning stuff, too.

I'm not a Farage fan myself but it's actually bizarre the levels of not holding certain communities accountable that is going on.
It's at the point where it looks like racism of low expectations.

What defence in particular? Having understood what he said differently for sound reasons and trying to understand what others were seeing, or pointing out the large support at the election which it would serve us all well not to ignore as well as understand the reasons for it.

I agree.

He said “politics of the subcontinent playing out on the streets of Leeds”.

He obviously assumed that the protests in London were also happening in Leeds, and is too embarrassed to admit that he made that assumption.

Yes, he either misunderstood based (due to his personal prejudices) or deliberately lied. I would assume the former but it's not as if Farage isn't sometimes deliberately racist, so who knows.

Did you not say this at the top of the previous page …

What a load of twaddle. We all know what Farage (and all the other tweeters who jumped on the same bandwagon) was implying. That the rioters were Muslim. You can bend and twist and give yourself a hernia, but that's what he meant. We see him.

I would assume he misunderstood the situation, didn't bother to think but just decided to tweet about it.

And has been called out for it.

I am by no means a fan of Nigel Farage, nor am I defending him in any way, but what he said make no sense whatsoever, especially if he was trying to fan the flames, so I can only assume he either misunderstood the situation in Leeds for what was happening in London, or he meant subcontinental Europe.

That isn’t defending him at all. I just can’t make sense of his use of the word “subcontinent” in the context he used it. That is why I am assuming there is an element of confusion on his part.