Disorder in Leeds

You're allowed to shout at and swear at police, within reason

Genuine question…

Was she arrested?

I always assumed acting in an aggressive manner towards a police officer, telling them to fuck off and calling them bastards would result in your arrest.

Are you all feeling "enriched" yet?

@LordPercyPercy
How vibrant, how articulate and how lovely- bravely standing up to racism.

Here's the reality of the community involved:

https://x.com/jomickane/status/1815000147828330539

it’s not just horrible racist Big Bad Britain - see Ireland at the moment.

You're right @MaturingCheeseball

Unfortunately, this is something that is quite often done by media outlets and the authorities-shine a light on something or someone else and try to make people forget who the real culprits are-rioting migrants-or at least muddy the waters.

Some fall for this because they want to-they don't want to admit that lawless migrants did this and some fall for it because they're stupid or upset about being called racist.

Happily though, less and less people are falling for it and these tactics are beginning to fail in the world outside the media.

Who and what caused the riots in Harehills?

The only answer is: The Migrants-a mixture of Roma and others-caused the Riots. They caused them because they did not like the law of this land being imposed on them.

Did the Police Stop the Riots?

Answer: No. They got rid of the police and would only listen to their own community leaders?

What reason did Community leaders give for the riot?

Answer: Systematic Racism

Does anyone with half a brain a brain believe this?

Answer: No

Was This the Fault of Nigel Farage or The Far Right?

Answer: No

Have the Community Leaders or Rioters apologised?

Answer No.

What Will Leeds do?

Answer: According to The Independent Newspaper: " After meeting with representatives of the Roma Community, Leeds City Council agreed to undertake an urgent review of the family matter case.

What lessons have the Harehill Migrant Community learned from their behaviour on Friday night?

Answer: They have learned that every time a law that they don't like is applied to them, they can riot. They have learned that the police will hand over responsibility to their community leaders. They have learned that the authorities will backtrack.

Do other people outside the migrant community agree with this and how will they try to draw attention away from the riot?

Answer: according to this thread, some do agree with this approach, They will try to draw attention away from this riot by implying that Nigel Farage and the right wing are the ones at fault.

Do most people believe this view?

No. Not at all, The poll on this thread shows this but those voices will be drowned out.

What might happen in the future?

Answer: It is possible that we will have more riots from migrant communities operating behind the excuse that they behave like this because of racism and that their supporters will say it is the fault of right wing politicians.

Ultimately, this could lead to a groundswell of support for people who will make our current right wing look like a child's tea party.

Can we do anything?

Yes, although nothing can be done right now because any criticism of migrant behaviour is met with accusations of racism and, at the moment, everyone is terrified of being called a racist.
We must not be frightened of calling out lawless behaviour just because a migrant community has committed it. This can be done but it is some way off. We can laugh at it this accusation when it is plainly nonsense and use our vote in any election-local or national-to show that we will not be hoodwinked.

Will people still come along on this thread trying to say it was the fault of Nigel Farage?

Answer. Yes. Of Course.

I wonder if any of the people here calling out racism actually live in areas with high immigration and high crime rates?

I agree with both of you.
The fixation on the Farage tweet by some is bizarre, but also quite predictable.
Almost as if it were a welcome distraction from the actual riots, something to focus on and obsess over instead of addressing the actual issues.
I don’t think Farage should have waded in, but he wasn’t the reason the riots started.

👏👏👏

It is a shame that there is no debate on the issue of mass immigration without racism being shouted from the get go. I do think the people who believe it is racist to discuss probably live in areas least affected by the issue. They probably pass by an area of high immigration occasionally, in a car most likely, and go 'what a quaint community. I'm glad my country is so diverse' then drive home to their neighbourhood of low cultural diversity.
As a woman you can no longer even walk through Birmingham or Sheffield in shorts without getting glared at or spat on. Many people to that will think 'well I'll never walk through Birmingham or Sheffield'. Good for you love, but it's part of your country that has been forcibly changed culturally by the people who are supposed to govern it properly. Ffs.

There is so much Whataboutery on this thread. We all know about Nigel Farage and his ilk. Should he have jumped in? No. But also making him the whole focus of this rioting is bizarre. So don’t look at the rioters in Leeds, no, look at what Nigel Farage said!

I’m agreeing with @ShouldhavebeencalledAppollo - it just seems like a concerted effort to shut down discussion.

Honestly, in Leeds no one gives a shit what NF said. Whether he was technically right depending on context. Whether he was Completely wrong. Wether he was intentionally wrong or just a bit trigger happy and could be arsed looking it up.

This is the whole problem and this is why people like reform get voted for. Because people rather than accept there is an actual problem in lots of communities, it’s been argued there value in arguing about the technicalities of a tweet.

All the while every group of people in these communities feel ignored, forgotten and get more pissed off.

People who are egged on by NF, would be using this as an excuse anyway.

Interesting though how certain posters are very keen to divert the thread from the actual problems and issues in Leeds, to debate ad infinitum an ambiguous post by Mr F. More especially when what they say he meant was actually going on in London. Almost like some want to brush the simmering issues (that even the Guardian reported in 2018) under the carpet and pretend they do not exist, a very dangerous game

It is dangerous when a prominent politician and leader of a political party decides to use his platform to add fuel to a fire to a situation he knows nothing about.

Unless you don't think that's an issue.

It's not racist to discuss the problems of mass illegal immigration.

For someone who seems to deride abuse, you certainly like to give it out by making serious false personal accusations about people. Pure prejudice I am afraid, but carry on if that’s the way you swing, you obviously know no better.

Ah more abuse from the brains trust

I think you will find you are quite wrong, check and see

my response you quoted was to your comment …
“I don't see much point in citing examples of Farage's racism to someone who has already shown that they'll bend over backwards to excuse it.”

Nothing about googling subcontinent, which was presumably in one of your numerous other posts. However I don’t normally snap to the commands of slanderous abusers, as I see it as an indication of limitation of their ability to rationally debate an issue, as well as being rather rude to other human beings. But actually the first item presented when searching subcontinent is

1. a large distinguishable part of a continent, such as North America or the part of Asia containing India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh.

It also lists various subcontinents

why would I search for “the subcontinent” ? If I wanted info on trolls for example I would not search for “the trolls”. But I already knew what a subcontinent was. If you think I am deficient for not knowing some people refer to India as “the subcontinent” fine, that is your problem not mine. It seems rather elitist to me and demeaning to the other subcontinents, of which even if you base your classification on geology, there are several. You don’t mention for instance that South Africa is also referred to as the subcontinent. All fairly arbitrary.

Interesting though how certain posters are very keen to divert the thread from the actual problems and issues in Leeds, to debate ad infinitum an ambiguous post by Mr F. More especially when what they say he meant was actually going on in London. Almost like some want to brush the simmering issues (that even the Guardian reported in 2018) under the carpet and pretend they do not exist, a very dangerous game.

Do you think this is okay @ofVeracity

Or is it something a racist might say?

I refuse to believe that anyone that can string 2 words together would presume that "the subcontinent" would ever mean Europe. You don't come across as that stupid. So I stand by my dishonest and disingenuous assessment

So just a few of the many examples of racism by Farage for ofVeracity

There was also the infamous "Breaking Point" poster which was reported to the police for inciting racial hatred.

Absolutely!
Our authorities need to take note.

More recently "[Rishi Sunak] is not patriotic, he doesn't care about our history, our culture."

Of course, he went on to claim that he was referencing Sunak's wealth and class, but I doubt anyone honestly believes that (even if they'll claim to).

Another weasely response.

I asked you,

"If you google "the subcontinent" - what results do you get?"

no doubt, the honest answer would be several pages of results about the Indian subcontinent, as that's what the phrase "the subcontinent" generally references.

But, to avoid providing an honest answer, you write your own question instead.

Of course the racist little grifter was referring to the Indian sub continent.

"But I gave sound logical reasons why on reading the comment I assumed he meant Europe and the politics of immigration both of which are his raison d”etre"

You heard sub continent and assumed he meant Europe?

Honestly - I have never heard anyone refer to Europe and the sub continent.