Disorder in Leeds

100% @lollipoprainbow

No one will address the elephant in the room.

Like we saw in Harehills family not liking SS coming in so they cause chaos! 😡

Well nope it doesn't work that way here....children were deemed at risk so SS had to act...no ifs or buts...

The majority of the population do work but they don’t pay enough into the pot and central government funding has been stripped to the bone simultaneously. It costs £6k a night to stay in ICU for example. No way most people’s contributions over the years could cover that. Child benefit is £100s a month plus stat sick pay. People are paying nowhere near enough in taxes to fund that. Immigration of unskilled illiterate people who aren’t working doesn’t help that but legislation has pretty much stopped that from happening unless of course they’re working in the black economy.

This Morning TV show have just been talking about violence against women it is now at crisis point...yet we keep allowing people in that we know zero about and from countries that are not like minded like ourselves particularly in regard to women/child saftey...

Lot of boat arrivals also from Syria meant to add that to the list of countries...

Politicians won’t deal with it. Atm it’s just ignoring an increasing issue

Well bar Aus who have put policies in place,

That’s an interesting point about (alleged) shortages of specialists on one hand and people with those shortage skills finding it hard to find employment on the other. I’ve heard similar from a friend in Germany.
I’ve also heard about restaurants and coffee shops here in the UK having to close because they couldn’t find staff after Brexit.
Where I live, most of those places are staffed by college and uni students, and according to friends’ kids who are currently looking for NMW jobs in cafes and supermarkets they’re not easy to get, not at all.

Right, so basically it went like this.
A father and a mother left their children at home alone, and one 7 month old child was dropped by another child (out of the window for crying or just dropped - there are several versions) and had a skull fracture. The children were not safe in that environment, the situation obviously called for involvement of SW, which they did. The family was not ok with that and wanted their children back, and this somehow turned into burning a bus and hitting police cars and whatnot.

The children were clearly endangered, SW did their job - who was at fault here? And how burning of a bus solves anything in this situation?

Do you mean those recently born and too young to work? The majority of the population are employed and contrary to popular belief, the biggest benefits claimants are pensioners.

Many people are working for shit salaries because a huge wedge of our tax bill is being spent on housing, feeding and caring for people who weren't born here, have never contributed to our economy and don't have the skills including basic English to do so. Many (but not all) of them are from countries where the culture differs so wildly that they aren't used to seeing women with legal rights . It isn't surprising that they are going to act differently and frequently to the harm of native born British people, including women who are going to work to pay taxes to help them. It's absolutely a complete fucking joke.

Immigration is a total mess and very, very worrying what we are seeing every day....those arriving by the boats especially.

It is 99% men too, coming from Somalia, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan...countries that are vastly different in values to here especially regarding women.

We certainly don't need this it is madness.

They throw away their papers, get given lodgings, spending money, phones and don't need to work.

UK and Germany are the 2 countries that are the biggest draw as we treat them so well...if they went to France for example they would get a tent in a field.

Europe is getting tough Poland won't allow them in and Italy and the Netherlands have already moved to the right re government...Ireland ain't happy they are rioting..it is madness and needs to be stopped.

Half the native born ‘English’ ain’t net contributors that’s the issue

That is certainly true. Which is why I don't think the UK needs any more of that!

You're right, immigration is overall complex.

Half the native born ‘English’ ain’t net contributors that’s the issue 😂

And saying we can only let in the skilled, are you aware how abysmal the graduate job market is. We have a shortage of skilled IT specialists, we have a job market oversaturated with CS graduates who can’t get jobs because employers can’t be bothered to train them - I don’t think the answer is allowing thousands of Indian or East European IT specialists in….
Likewise we have NHS trusts employing literally thousands of international nurses from places like Nigeria on 5 year contracts whilst our own NQN are struggling to find jobs. And yet we can’t find fruit pickers, carers, serving staff. On the other hand when your child applies for a NMW job in a supermarket and there are 100s of applicants nothing seems to make sense. Essentially I don’t think the answers are that simple.

It's always about who you let in and actually vetting people. You can't just import the worlds problems like the west continues to do.

It’s offensive to group people that work hard, abide by our rules, moved her for a better life and want to integrate to those who set that bus on fire

This is the crux of it. No-one, or very few people, are saying zero immigration. Done right, it can bring huge benefits and be a massive positive to a country. Immigrants should be law-abiding net contributers, first and foremost.

I grew up going to an inner city secondary. We had a huge Eastern European influx into the school 2005ish as well as from Iraq/Afghanistan. It wasn’t unusual for teachers to have Google translate on the whiteboard. I grew up thinking the rest of the U.K. was the same.

Everyone used to say how dodgy it was where I grew up but I thought they were just racists. Growing up I knew to keep my mouth closed (English = probably no dad to protect you/not wise to let strangers know your nationality) and I thought it was normal to be sexually harassed by grown men every time you went out for a pint of milk. My local gym used to have certain groups of men fully dressed in jeans sitting on work out equipment literally just staring at women. The solution was going to women’s hour.

I left for uni/moved away and it took years to adapt to ‘normal’ English areas. I sometimes go back and it’s so much worse. The litter, I cannot wear sandals to get that pint of milk now as the litter is something else. I’ve seen bins literally being tipped onto the street.

I think it’s offensive to group all immigrants together. We need immigration, immigration is great. Letting people into this country that have zero respect for our future/customs and zero want to integrate? That’s bonkers. I know Britain has been shit to the rest of the world but the bar is so low to let those who hate our country in?

It’s offensive to group people that work hard, abide by our rules, moved her for a better life and want to integrate to those who set that bus on fire. Just because we have some shit native members of our society, does that mean we have to accept the shit members of other societies? Surely we can be fussy?

All those who embrace open borders, do you really want your children and grandchildren to live in areas where large numbers of people don’t want to engage, don’t accept the law, and behave as they have in Harehills?

It does seem to be more of an issue for quite a few countries

I wasn’t commenting on wether they should arrest her.

The comment was ‘They might if you're inflaming a situation but in general you're not getting arrested for what that woman is doing.’

and I answered that she was.

But isn’t that the problem? She is inflaming the situation. The ‘community leader’ inflaming the situation, winding people up more, refusing to accept that the way the children were treated it why they were removed, acting like that towards police and they can’t arrest her in case more people get upset.

And publicly nicking her will further inflame it. The police aren't fucking idiots.

It's becoming a western consensus. People are fed up of constant mass immigration. The numbers seem to get bigger every year, especially since Covid.

But she is inflaming the situation.

Leeds council and SS should not pander to the parents/group who did this …they are causing riots as they aren’t getting their own way.

Torched buses and tipped over cars aren’t scenes we want to see in the U.K…not now not ever.

It is a very dangerous route to go down we have laws for child safety if they don’t want to abide by these rules then leave simple as that and alive where you will follow the laws.

Having local councillors/speakers is also a no no as well no one else gets special treatment …again if they don’t like the rules/police then leave.

You can’t have one rule for some and another rule for others…

In general they don't though. They might if you're inflaming a situation but in general you're not getting arrested for what that woman is doing.

And yeah it's a very vague "right" which they'll happily nick you for anyway, but the chances of you getting charged off the back of it are virtually nil

That doesn’t mean anything.

If the police want to nick you for a public order offence, or assault (which doesn’t require physical force) or breach of the peace (not an offence, but arrestable) etc, for swearing and shouting, then they’ll do so.

Not that I have much (any) experience with the police, but I absolutely did not know that.