Disorder in Leeds

@OlgaBracley Get with the programme. They're all doctors and engineers, remember.

They all want to work. They all want to contribute, and pay their taxes, etc.

International law means they can’t be but I agree with you on the difficulty of where we are due to it

Nope, many illegal people arriving in their thousands. Conveniently losing their paperwork and almost exclusively male. It's one thing to provide welfare for your own population, whether they're pensioners or low-earners, and quite another to support the lives of people whose culture is often fundamentally opposed to ours. I'm not saying they are all 100% awful but when you import swathes of people from backwards cultures (and yes they are backwards, why would they want to leave otherwise) you are going to end up with cultural change for the worse. It's not really surprising.

It is addressed to those who swallow all this crap that most migrants, like the Harehill Mob-but not just exclusively them-are fleeing persecution and that this is why they must be accepted and never sent back to this imaginary persecution.

That is a big catch all that allows them to act with impunity knowing they will never be sent back.

I don't know if there is actual legislation on this or not, so would have to bow to your knowledge.

However, whether actual legislation exists or not-there is a mind set in this country that returning them to whence they came is a big no-no as they are fleeing persecution.

That mind set is pretty important, as it enables many trouble making and law breaking migrants to act with impunity. I question it as I don't believe most of them are fleeing persecution. If they were, why would they riot, break the law and abuse the people of this land.

They're not afraid of being returned and they weren't afraid when they left for these shores.

If they were, they would have more gratitude-and that's not a dirty word- when they got here. It doesn't mean they have to take the knee, it means they have to show respect for the law of the land. That's all.

If the mind set changed and people started demanding that those who abuse hospitality are removed then we would have less trouble.

I think that won't happen. It is impossible to change the current mindset and , so whether there is actual legislation or not, there might as well be.

If the Harehill Mob are not protected by legislation, they are certainly protected by the mindset that believes no migrant should be returned for bad behaviour.

That mindset is here to stay and so we can look forward to more of the same.

@OlgaBracley who is your post to?

My view on where we are is not aligned with Labour or current law. I think trafficking networks know how to exploit a system we’ve set up for vast profit and half the media do spin a line as you say.

But I still know the laws exist and have done for a while so I question the pp on the legislation they talk about

Why do you begin by assuming that all this persecution they're fleeing from is a fact?

Why not begin by assuming most of this much vaunted persecution is bollocks-you would then have a very different world view.

What persecution do you think the big fat Roma harridan screaming at the police the day after Harehills was facing. I'm going to hazard the answer...none! ( a PP provided the link up thread)

She was fucking and blinding, geeing up the crowd, telling the police to fuck off-naturally they complied.

She was arrogant ignorant, and foul mouthed. She was obviously used to shouting her mouth off and do you think that anyone who had suffered this much vaunted persecution in a land from which she had had to flee would be able to call our police corrupt and dangerous.

Of course not! She would look at our police, compare them to all the horrors and persecution she has undergone in foreign climes and find our police and laws reasonable.

She doesn't. She-and thousands like her-compare our police to their own and find ours to be , as she yells, 'bastards.;

If this is true and she thinks what she is suffering here is awful compared to what she suffered at home, then isn't it reasonable to assume that she didn't suffer very much at home at all. Compared to her own police, she thinks ours are worse than wherever she came from.

That doesn't sound as if she was persecuted.

You really must stop swallowing all this shit about being persecuted so easily. Some will have been-a minority I wager- but plenty have not been otherwise they wouldn't be causing trouble here, would they.

But if you persist in thinking that persecution awaits all these people if they are returned to their homeland then riddle me this...why don't they behave when they get here?

Legislation to send people back to persecution?

Can you link?

Starmer the human rights lawyer never had that in the manifesto

Some very big generalisations going on there. Aren’t there measures preventing semi literate migrants from coming here, They have to earn over £35k or something don’t they ? And the folk on boats aren’t coming in their hundreds of thousands. There’s definitely some manipulation of facts going on there.

That's all right then. Definitely nothing to see in Leeds, they're all well educated high earners and we're all mistaken.

Some very big generalisations going on there. Aren’t there measures preventing semi literate migrants from coming here, They have to earn over £35k or something don’t they ? And the folk on boats aren’t coming in their hundreds of thousands. There’s definitely some manipulation of facts going on there.

Some women equally are lousy mothers and the offspring they produce can be lousy citizens and a net drain on resources. Aren’t huge swaths of the population on benefits in any case ? We’ve got our own net drains on the economy (pensioners, some of them women who settled on being stay at home mums back in the day and never did a stroke of work). Many pensioners didn’t earn enough at all to make up for the resources they use. Ah but now it’s not about money now lol.

@EasternStandard back in the day there was legislation that ensured migrants couldn’t claim unless they’d worked and they could be sent back to their home countries if unemployed for x number of months. Look it up. Unless of course the tories got rid of it when we left the EU.

On a plus note the news is saying police have made 20 arrests in Leeds re the riots, hope they get prison or deported if not here legally!

Really? Madness I agree

I guess it’s what people wanted when they voted for them. Use social housing and keep upping crossings

I still can’t get why you’d want as many to cross as you can encourage

That's going to go down brilliantly, isn't it?

Labour have announced they are dropping the use of the Bibby Stockholm ship and the army barracks to house illegals.

They are saying all communities have to take a share and house them and social housing will be used …Madness !

No own agreed to any of this 😦I fear for the future generations…

My eyes were opened on that series The Met most of the crimes were committed by foreign nationals and often the victim of crime too.

I think this may be a major difference for Aus. No external court system like ECHR

People are not vilified for discussion on borders and it’s bipartisan. No one will touch it

I'm just going to say it. If there's a rapid increase of migrants from certain parts of the world sexual assaults go up. Look at Sweden as a clear example. Or the mass sexual assaults in Cologne on NYE 2015.
And men in groups, away from their usual family and social structures, and with certain notions about Western women, are going to be even more disinhibited.
Add to that being in a country whose punishments will seem extremely weak and woolly. Perfect storm really.

Agree wholeheartedly. These constant appeals over deportation and trying to change laws the majority of the UK want must stop. Look at good old Cherie Blair (Booth) who has made herself a career out of fighting the courts for illegal migrants etc. Wonder how many of these same migrants are staying in any of their massive property portfolio. Two faced just like her husband.

All countries will need to tighten up borders and legislate to take things out the hands of human rights courts and lawyers. Only then will half the 3rd world stop turning up to western borders via non-legal routes.

The idea we have to leave the ECHR just to be able to police our own border is a joke.

What reason did Community leaders give for the riot?

Answer: Systematic Racism

Shouldn't that be 'synthetic' , an excuse used for years to try and justify the unjustifiable by many communities.

What legislation are you thinking of?

What legislation? They are increasing in numbers by the day. And it isn't just paying for their basic everyday needs but the unnatural increase in population putting even more strain on public services.
People who aren't 'net contributors' still contribute to society, though. Women co tribute to society by having children. They gake maternity leave which makes them not net contributors at that time. Carers are paid peanuts and contribute little tax but contributors use enormously to the functioning of society. It isn't all about money.
Hundreds of thousands of semi-literate men coming over with few skills between them and many from countries which treat women like livestock contribute crime and contribute dangers to women. It's not on.