Disorder in Leeds

Shoyden. They were crammed 10 to a room. No indoor toilets, open sewer. If they had been put onto an estate I swear they wouldn’t have trashed it . There were Irish and black diasporas there. There wasn’t anyone from those communities setting fire to trams, shops and throwing bricks around. People have always been and always been hugely disadvantaged. Most don’t commit mindless acts of destruction of their own neighbourhoods. This is not excusable.

Probably because when they arrived they weren't crammed into estates purely put aside to house people from.all over the world. It's an extremely unstable environment and asking for trouble. I'm.also willing to bet the number of people of their nationality at the time immigrating were not almost exclusively young men.

@SayItSweetly

Their original name is from the Sanskritt* word डोम, ḍoma and means a member of the Domm* caste of travelling musicians and dancers.

This is where my DF and DM first lived with their DPs and DGGPs. My DF wrote about living there and what it was like. It’s sobering reading.

Do you think the residents of this estate are pouring over every word of Kier Starmer? Or do you think they actually face daily struggles that prevent them from engaging in any meaningful way with wider society whole sinultaneously draining the country of funds? Because personally I think it's the latter.

My family were uneducated in their birth country. They lived in appalling conditions there and here when they came . Photos in the archives , of the conditions around the area my DPs lived (Byron Street in Leeds) really shocked me. There was no state assistance, no help to settle other than from those who had arrived first and let them sleep in their overcrowded rooms. At no time did they ransack and trash their neighbourhood as a way of releasing their trauma and conditions. I have empathy for anyone having to escape their country but not when it comes to doing this sort of shit.

So they were trying to dodge social services? I'm so glad SS and the police acted decisively and didn't worry about cultural sensitivity. I once worked with a traveller child and raised safeguarding concerns regarding emotional abuse and neglect. My headmistress (our DSL) dismissed me because,I believe, she was scared of confrontation with the traveller community. I didn't have the guts to escalate it but left my job.

Was reading today 5000 Roma have settled in the Harehill area in the last few years. That's going to take some adjustments for all.

I'm honestly not sure on the entertainers part. My understanding is that they moved for work much like modern travellers. They started coming into Europe during the Ottoman Empire settling in Eastern European Countries.

A very well travelled friend spent some time in Romania around the time of the fall of Ceacescu (sp). He got speaking to locals and the Roma were not well liked due to increased crime in any area they were.

It's actually not that much of a divide, people who can read English printed just over 100 hears avo are not semi-literate.

Do you think the residents of this estate are pouring over every word of Kier Starmer? Or do you think they actually face daily struggles that prevent them from engaging in any meaningful way with wider society whole sinultaneously draining the country of funds? Because personally I think it's the latter.

Is it Dickens on shelves or semi literate?

Seems quite stark for options

‘Roma’ means ‘people’ in the Romani language. It’s just a coincidence that it sounds a bit like Romania which has Latin roots same as the city of Rome.

Harehills was the first place my DGPs lived when they came to the city. There was no effort made to welcome or make life easy for immigrants then. My DGM was 8 and didn’t speak a word of English. She was put in a classroom and was left to sink or swim. Now I’m not saying that’s good and I can’t imagine how frightening that must have been for a small child who has just left everything they know and come over on a packed ship not knowing where she would be or what it would be like. My DGGPs worked in sweatshops and my DGPs helped them after school. It was a crash course in learning English, working your way around a new country while still traumatised after what they’d escaped from.

Now there are translation services, kids are integrated into schools and given English lessons. There’s help available . It must be hard to adapt but there is so much more compassion and help to integrate if people want to. My family kept their own religion and language at home but once out the home, they did everything they could to integrate and fit in. My DF always said we owed the UK our lives and needed to do our bit. He served for the UK in the war and was proud to have done that. Yes be proud of your heritage but I believe those coming to any new country for whatever reason, have a responsibility to learn the language and not trash their neighbourhoods. It’s not acceptable.

Do you think the residents of that estate have the collection of Dickens on their shelves?.
They are severely impoverished and largely from other nations, mostly nations which don't generally educate their populations, I am gonna hazard a guess there are some literacy issues.

Sadly the police are a waste of space and powerless to do anything.

I thought someone claimed the man igniting the bus was born here

How do you know how literate he is?

Out of interest, why are they called Roma if they're from India originally.

I know this is a horrible situation but I am a bit fascinated by their history, they were travelling actors and dancers, yes? Sounds bohemian.

As an immigrant myself, I find your and @OlgaBracley’s points really interesting. I can definitely relate to it.
Personally, I’m not entirely sure whether it’s a coloniser mentality or rather an eagerness to appear inclusive and welcoming.
I don’t think it’s helpful.

Some staff at Jimmy's are saying that the man setting the bus on fire is a doctor!
Probably just a mad rumour though.

Don’t be daft. They’ve been in power for ten minutes. Sorting out a country has the turning circle of the ark royal. They can’t pull dozens of police officers out of their arse can they.

Oh give over, I'd be surprised if many on this particular estate knew there'd recently been an election, nevermind who won and what their policies are. They will be mostly semi literate and/or with sever langauge barriers, one of the many things that prevents them from integrating or contributing to society.

They've only just got in and already we've got riots.

Word has got out that Labour are in now and they'll be soft on crime. Things will only get worse.

I'm sorry but they've barely been in power for hours (officially) so it's not something to blame the ruling party over. If anything it's more likely down to the policies we've lived under for years, including underfunding and overcrowding.

It's a breakdown in law and order. Nobody fears the police, they ran away again. There's no deterrent, no respect, no hope.

Honeymoon over Labour. When are they going to get a grip of law and order?

Police running away, criminals being released from prison, Britain teetering on the brink of anarchy with unruly mobs and Starmer is silent.

They made the chimpanzee enclosure at Chester Zoo look calm