Disorder in Leeds

YES, this exactly. I don’t see Jewish people running around town burning things down. The anti Jewish marches are an absolute disgrace. Jews are not your problem, your problem is the anti west scum bags running around Leeds and the other ones who were allowed to rape little girls for years because police didn’t want to offend the protected offenders.

You really don't think that when a group of people know that they are despised that has some effect on the way that they act and the respect that they have for the society that openly despises them?

well being visibly Jewish, I’m not exactly flavour of the month right now but have managed to integrate and give back to a society where I often don’t feel wanted and quite honestly, right now, despised.

Of course integration is a good thing but it is a two way street. You can't expect people to integrate into a society where they are openly despised and where they are approached with suspicion just for existing in their skin

Many thousands of immigrant families have integrated into society. Plus the majority of people who haven’t integrated are not wreaking havoc on their own doorstep.

I think us Brits for the most part are welcoming and tolerant of different ethnicities. Immigrants who do try and integrate with the local community and are tolerant of everyones right to live in peace, do get on well and succeed in the UK. Unfortunately when we create a ghetto situation with one foreign nationality dominating the area, you have the issue where integration will not happen.

I’m white, so I don’t know what it’s like for brown people in the UK right now.
I’ve been an immigrant most of my life though, and have definitely encountered hostility in the past. When my family moved to a new country years ago, I remember there being anti immigration protests in our town.
That didn’t make my parents or their friends say: “Oh, those people here don’t seem to like us, so we won’t even try to integrate.”

You can't expect people to integrate into a society where they are openly despised

It works both ways - you can’t expect a host society to accept you with open arms if you make no effort and disregard their rules and values.
And besides, how do you know all those people are “approached with suspicion just for existing in their skin”?
There are plenty of people from so many different backgrounds and ethnicities living in the UK, who manage to integrate and become responsible members of society.

It's not just this thread is it and it's not just in relation to this particular incident. There is clear hostility from a lot of people towards brown people in particular at the moment in the UK.

Of course integration is a good thing but it is a two way street. You can't expect people to integrate into a society where they are openly despised and where they are approached with suspicion just for existing in their skin.

Who exactly do you mean? Do you think the people rioting in Leeds will read this thread?
People who do integrate won’t necessarily feel the thread is about them.
Nothing wrong with integration, it’s essential for a cohesive society.

You really don't think that when a group of people know that they are despised that has some effect on the way that they act and the respect that they have for the society that openly despises them?

I agree with you. I can't imagine the hostility they must face on a daily basis, threads like this make it really clear what some people think of people who don't look English enough for them. Why those posters think anybody would want to integrate with them is beyond me.

A cop car and a bus? That seems a big bill.

Look, I agree it was horrible that it happened, and the sort of thing a strained neighbourhood doesn’t need.

But no one was injured and nowhere was trashed and looted, which is the sort of thing we associate with riots. Members of the community were mucking in to put the fire out and cooler heads were talking people down.

I’d hate to see this talked up into something that spills over for days rather than be an explosive night that was a one off, and people still had faith in their community and neighbours.

God knows Harehills needs all the support it can get.

Britain has been fucked for a long time, these problems are not new.

Community leaders in some communities have actually been heavily involved in organised crime.
Glasgow, Manchester.

And I doubt the thugs doing this aren’t remotely thinking about being upset that integrating will be harder after reading this thread. They literally don’t give a shit what anyone thinks about them.

MeouwCat. You’re right. It didn’t make anything better. She was a stressed and anxious wreck the poor thing.

Buddysbunda. The majority of ‘these people’ are just getting on with life and doing their best in often immensely difficult and disadvantaged situations. They are not the thugs out on the street trashing the neighbourhood, making it unsafe or spurring others on to wreak havoc . I imagine the majority of ‘these people’ are bloody terrified.

Just seen this interview with Mothin Ali, the Harehills councillor, who seems like a really decent guy. He talks a bit about the background, contributing factors, and what happened last night.

All this talk of people not integrating. I can't imagine being one of 'these people' reading a thread like this in the morning then being expected to go out in the afternoon and 'integrate'.

You cant manage stress with smoking, it just worsens it.

Shoyden. From a patriarchal society. My DGM walked behind my DGF. They had no education in their home country and a few years in the UK before leaving. My DF was drafted to fight in the war. My DM left school at 13 and was married with her first child by 17. My DF was 10 years older than here. He hadn’t been raised where men helped with children or round the house. My DM worked full time then came home to cook for 3 kids and clean, wash etc with zero help. Women were not valued other than to have children and keep house . My DM had to work full time as DF didn’t earn enough. Life was shitty for her. Stroke at 40 and died from cancer in her 60s. Heavy smoker to manage her stress and anxiety.

Why do these 'English' people always have their own community leaders. I see that phrase is being trotted out on news outlets.

Surely the community leaders in this country are the local council and then parliament. Why do these groups need their own community leaders, who have to be listened to by the police and politicians?

Despite the best intentions of those who insist that they are English as fish and chips-could it possibly be that they have their own community leaders because they don't see themselves as English?

It's a riddle but I'm sure some will be along contorting the facts to give an answer which flies in the face of common sense.

Balls to their community leaders. No need for them. Use the same community leaders as everyone else-the council and parliament. To do otherwise smacks of kid glove special treatment and it is divisive.

Leeds is saying it will work with the Roma community and the Honorary Consulate of Romania! Why? They're English-according to many on this thread-why involve these foreign organisations. Social Services judged those children would be taken away according to the law of this land and yet because they went out rioting, here they are being conciliatory towards them.

Why? That's the law, that's the way we do things here and that's that. Like it or lump it.

Except the damage is reported to have cost £1 million. Who's going to be paying for that? The already likely to be nearly bankrupt Council...

But were they mostly young men from countries that don't educate people and treat women like livestock though?

Absolutely.

And Harehills isn’t just young men. There are many families trying their hardest to get by and make a decent life for themselves. They don’t deserve to have this going on around them. It must be absolutely terrifying.

Sadly this is probably very true. Pure scum