Disorder in Leeds

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@Seymour5
^The children at the heart of the uproar have been returned to wider family. www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/jul/23/roma-children-at-centre-of-leeds-unrest-returned-to-extended-family^

Just as I thought would happen.
This fucking country.

This is utter madness.

The family have no settled status here, so no leave to remain. Yet it appears the adult family members work which they are not allowed to do.

Do they receive UC? Almost certainly so.

Do the children go to school? Do they have a GP? Again, they wouldn't be entitled to this.

There are now endless Social Services conferences, Family Court hearings and what not. A Family court hearing for a family of this size would involve at least seven or eight barristers representing the children, the family and the LA, in addition to the solicitors and the interpreters and the experts. All paid by Legal Aid.

Add to that the cost of the policing and the riots.

Who pays for all this?

I don’t think you got my main point.

Which was that housing children with family is what, often, happens in these situations. If there’s no concern about the family members they have been placed there’s no reason not to house them there. At the moment.

Thankfully, our ability to look after children isn’t judged by what someone related to us does.

At no point did I say ‘this might not have happened the way we think it did’. I have family live in very close proximity and have been badly impacted by what’s gone on and firmly believe those kids shouldn’t be returned to their household. The child had the head injury at least 24 hours before they sought medical assistance and all claimed to not know how the baby got a fractured skull. Then one of the younger kids took responsibility, which I don’t believe for a minute. I don’t think that household is suitable to have the children.

I said we do not know what involvement (if any) with the riots and protest this extended family member had. And that the judge will have more information we do. Meaning information about the extended family member.

We don’t need to give a shit about the story they are peddling. But the authorities will, because that’s how the country is at the moment. And you can bet if any whiff of racism is found, there will be a compensation claim which the country will fund AND end up paying out on.

I have posted a lot on this thread about harehills and have known the area for well over twenty years. I don’t agree with anything that happened or have sympathy for the adults who failed to look after their children. But I can not have sympathy for them, be pissed off that people like them are able to garner sympathy, allowed to riot and protest (the peaceful protests were very damaging to local residents) and also recognise that putting the children with extended family is entirely usual and not down to the riots or protest.

It might be a good thing if the family move back. However, SS aren’t going to just turn a blind eye to families disappearing with children, when they are aware the children are potentially in danger. Whether they should or lot, isn’t the point. They don’t.

They haven’t got what they want, because they want their kids and, possibly, leave the country. But protest and riots isn’t why they have been placed with extended family. They have been placed with extended family because those family members have been deemed acceptable and that’s the usual process. And at the moment we don’t actually know that they aren’t.

Plenty of people posting here have responsibility for their relatives children and do a brilliant job looking after those children. Not sure I would agree with a rule that says children removed from someone can’t be placed with extended family as ‘they are cut from the same cloth’.

I think you are well meaning but wrong @ShouldhavebeencalledAppollo

You say it might not have happened the way that most of us think it did but also because if they didn't do it, it would have helped to highlight what you refer to as,
"this happened because we are Roma line that they are peddling"

But, as well as disagreeing with your main point, I also ask why should we give a blue shite if they do say this? Let them say it-who gives a slug's fart what they say!

Sadly, too many people do give a lot more than a slug's fart about what they say or, in this case, do and that is-cause another riot.

I do wish we could stop giving so much credence to their opinions but of course, we are all terrified of what they will do when they don't get what they want..

That is why they did, I'm afraid, get what they want and, of course, most of us know why.

You may try to dress it up any way you like and you have done your best but I'm afraid that you are trying to cover a pile of horse shit with a silk hanky.

Maybe it might be a good thing if the wider family and the children did return to whence they came where they can bring up their children according to their own cultural lights rather than rioting and screaming when they are told that their adopted homeland has a different way of doing things.

Would that be such a bad thing?

They didn’t get their way.

The children are with relatives and speculation about ‘being cut from the same cloth’ isn’t relevant.

Most kids would be housed with other family members in these situations. And unless the family member is already on SS radar, then that’s what’s going to happen. Just because people are related it doesn’t mean they treat their kids the same. For all we know these maybe relatives who have kept firmly out of the trouble and protests. A judge will have decided where the kids go and they know more than we do.

While I don’t think it’s ideal, I do think if the family was any other ethnicity, this is what would have happened. So not doing it would have fed the ‘this happened because we are Roma’ line they peddling.

My main concern is that said family member may be tempted to return the kids to the parents or go against whatever rules have been set and I am not sure they would remove the children again. Or will help them get abroad to where they wanted to go. I would hope, a close is being kept on them, but I doubt it’s

Read the report. They were homed with extended family members. Not their parents. That is is normal in most cases where kids are removed.

What was telling is the report quotes them as already being on social services radar.

150% at @OlgaBracley they got their way via rioting/threats and SS capitulated to avoid a re-run of those horrific scenes we all saw.

So there you have it what a deeply disturbing and shameful state of affairs 😦.

Any normal law abiding family would not get this outcome as SS did not do what they did lightly...then a few days later low and behold change their minds...nope! They went on full on riot/aggression mode to get their way....sad days ahead!

No, I don't think it is better for them to be with "wider family".

Did you see an example of wider family that a previous OP linked to-an unkempt harridan fucking and blinding, calling the police, "racist bastards" and inciting the crowd. She was out in the street behaving like this a day later.

Incidentally, that does beg the question, besides all these kids and mum and dad-just how many more family members came across with them?

Also, I don't think the judge "deemed" anything. I think she was advised that if she didn't do exactly what these marauding Roma wanted and reverse a decision just taken by Social Services then there would be more riots on the streets of Leeds.

Do you really think that the social services, only a few days earlier-had taken the decision lightly to remove these children?

No, taking children is not usual. It is a decision that is the last resort. So, if it this decision-usually taken very reluctantly-on Friday was appropriate then, what has changed enough on Tuesday to return the children?

I feel foolish typing the answer out as even a child of six could work it out but just in case the answer remains evasive to some here we go!

The answer is that The Roma and other migrant communities of Harehill ran riot. The authorities are afraid of a re-play. They have decided it is best to cave in to their demands and give them what they demand than hold firm.

It is a disgrace. The police cave in, the social services cave in and now the judge-probably advised by the police and community leaders-has caved in.

At least now we realise that no law will ever apply to these communities. They run riot, ignore our authorities, only listen to their own community leaders (what dangerous bollocks) and get exactly what they want.

I'll be very interested to learn if the handful that were arrested are let out on bail and if they will be handed custodial sentences. I guess not because there would be more riots.

What a sorry, shitty mess we and many other countries are in and there will be no reversing it.

Social services have to act in the best interests of the children. The care system is a mess with poor outcomes, it's generally considered better for the children to remain with their parents if possible or with other family members.

What do you want to happen to the children? Should they be effectively punished and possibly further traumatised because of actions carried out by adults?

lol 😆

You flatter yourself, sweetie. Engaging with someone on one thread (I don't think I have engaged with you on any other threads) is not "following you around".🤣🤣🤣

Hmmm...and that is okay then...extended family/family same thing cut from the same cloth...

They played the system and it worked . Used to live in Leeds still have family and friend there …👍people know …

And you do know we only get a snapshot of what the facts are…it’s not the whole story by any stretch

Hey @IClaudine you follow me around 😝…I post you reply the opposite am flattered…

They tried that already and it didn’t work …this has been going on for months using the extended family …

I didn't say anything was "alright". Just pointing out facts.

But it is better for the children to be with extended family which the judge (who will have far more knowledge than you or I about the case) has deemed suitable and able to care for them rather than in foster care, is it not?

That's alright then 🙄

The judge didn't return the children because people kicked off. She actually warned against that behaviour. Plus it is a temporary arrangement with another hearing due in August.

So got heir own way by kicking off…anyone else this would count against them…

returned to wider family …unbelievable !

The children at the heart of the uproar have been returned to wider family. www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/jul/23/roma-children-at-centre-of-leeds-unrest-returned-to-extended-family

Over the years, Women have fought and died for Women's Rights and now this country is going right back in time with women being treated like dirt by some of these immigrants who live by their own rules and the government is doing sod all to protect us. I think the MP's should hang their heads in shame, they have brought this upon us by welcoming people we don't want.

We've got near enough the softest police force in the world and the immigrants know it.

You're not joking. Slight derail from Leeds but I read something very upsetting this evening. Eleven year old girl punched and killed by her adult half-brother, who admitted it in texts to his girlfriend. It's not even going to court. How can you punch and kill a child and just... nothing happens?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13664507/Girl-11-died-punched-heat-moment-half-brother-not-face-charges.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&ito=social-twitter_mailonline

We've got near enough the softest police force in the world and the immigrants know it.

Our safety should be paramount and importing all these unknowns is dangerous.

Most come from counties where their attitudes to women belong in the Stone Age.