Just Stop Oil Jailed

"The UK is responsible for 1% of global emissions."

How is that worked out. Is that worked out per person or by country. We are small in comparison to China. If you worked out emissions by person what would that be? I've no idea where to look

Carbon footprints in the UK are huge, I worked mine out and was horrified. I only take the car out once a week but because it is diesel it really bumped me up. I try and save water, I'm always switching off lights, TV is rarely on during the day but it was bad.

I'm trying to buy products manufactured in this country, I buy wooden toys for DGC but half the time they're still made in China and shipped across the world. I would really like shops to detail where a product is manufactured. I t's not always possible when you buy on line

What has excited me is the use of large sails on container ships. This technology was evolved in the UK but couldn't get backing from the Government so if I remember correctly is being manufactured elsewhere

What I'm trying to say in a very un-cohesive roundabout way is that we should still be striving to do better. Just because we're seemingly doing okay doesn't mean we can't be top of the class and lead by example and help other countries out. We cannot be complacent regarding this subject

Sorry if this is all a bit garbled and off the topic

Well that’s where we disagree

Exactly this

I don't care WHY they block the road or damage art or whatever.
You can't just do illegal stuff because you feel morally justified.

They were given 5 years for conspiring to stop traffic.

People get less for, amongst other things, violent assault, firearms offenses, possession of offensive material.... and all sorts of offenses any rational person would agree cause far more harm.

You mean, protests that don’t disrupt anything. What would be the point of a protest if it doesn’t disrupt? It would be ignored.

Good, silly fuckers.
And I don't hate the climate and/or legitimate protests I hate criminals

It is deemed peaceful by the lawful definition of the word. Not pretending they’re flower children.

It grabs headlines, gets attention, pisses people off.

It’s not ‘their cause’ it’s our cause. I don’t understand people being more pissed off they can’t get to work on time than Big Oil Companies making record profits whilst the planet burns because of them.

They’re receiving relatively big sentences for peaceful protesting. There’s a dangerous precedent being set.

I think you’ve missed my point.

I’m not disputing the scale of the crisis and I actually agree with their overall message.

What I’m disputing is the characterisation of them as “peaceful” - they’re not.

Its a valid position to take to say that their tactics are justified given the scale of the issue, but don’t pretend that they’re a load of peace-and-love hippies.

It's about being realistic about the cause of the problem. The UK is responsible for 1% of global emissions. If these activists actually cared about making an impact and not just pretending, they would target the likes of Amazon and any major company supporting China and the US. Want to make a serious personal impact? Reduce your beef consumption and stop buying crap from Amazon if it's made in China. Blocking the M25 just puts lives in danger and makes you a massive idiot.

So yea, I'm happy they're going to jail.

And how many deaths later, from extreme heat/war/shortages?

By definition their actions are correctly described as peaceful protest. Just because you disagree with their aims or methods doesn't change that.

I don't agree with what they do either, although as I am not a complete idiot I recognise that climate change is probably the biggest threat we face.

But 5 years when compared to the shorter sentences handed out for violent crimes is patently ridiculous.

If your definition of not-peaceful is confined to blowing stuff up, then yeah, by that definition it’s peaceful. However, deaths have occurred as a direct result of their actions; people are missing funerals, hospital appointments, job interviews; people’s lives and livelihoods are put at risk.

I have no problem if you think the scale of the crisis warrants protests of this kind, but just say that; to claim they are peaceful is completely obtuse.

Like yours

Hands up how many of you have given up your cars and holidays and don't buy any electronic gadgets.

I bet all of your carbon foot prints are awful.

Small mind.

Just like just stop oil ...so bloody rude. Does it make you feel better.

OK then of the UK stopped buying from China. Does that help?

Get to hell.

They are peaceful. They’re not blowing anyone up. Oil companies are violent - literally killing you slowly.

Is it worth pointing out that China emissions come from making goods that are bought/consumed by the the West? Or is that too connections for your brain to make?

We need to bin this “peaceful” narrative. They’re not peaceful and they’re not very nice people.

Exactly.

Just to be clear, do you understand these activists are total clowns and don't help our planet in any way?

Peaceful protests?
Blocking traffic, disruption to major events, preventing people getting to Funerals and hospital, criminal damage....the list goes on.

How is that Peaceful?!

The length of sentence for what was, ultimately, peaceful protest is absolutely absurd, regardless of whether you agree with their cause. It's a worrying abuse of power, a hugely disproportionate response to the state feeling challenged.