Just Stop Oil Jailed

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jul/19/just-stop-oil-tactics-prison-chris-packham

I love Chris Packham 💚

Yaxley-Lennon organised a protest just last month that led to quite a bit of disruption including:

● Roads being closed off or blocked.
● Balaclava clad men marching the streets.
● Thousands of police being deployed to monitor the protest and maintain order.
● Smoke bombs being set off.
● Drunk and disorderly behaviour.
● An emergency worker being assaulted.
● A women being racially abused.

AFAIK he's not been arrested yet, which is somewhat ironic given the protest was about 'two-tiered policing'.

thecritic.co.uk/the-just-stop-oil-sentences-were-just/

The Government (well the previous one) are not taking issues regarding the environment and specifically climate change seriously.

JSO have felt that the only way to get the Government to do something is to disrupt and inconvenience the public

I may not agree with their actions but I do understand their frustration

What I don't agree with is the absolute pleasure you are taking in their downfall, did you crack open a bottle of Champagne. And seriously do you think 10 years behind bars when rapists are only getting 4 years is just? 10 years of my taxes to keep them in prison, I think I would be protesting at that.

I'm beginning to think you work for BP or Shell

YABVU indeed. Ridiculously excessive sentences for non-violent protests.
I'm not a fan of JSO, but that's not the point.
I find the glee you're expressing at the incarceration of people who are clearly well meaning, very distasteful.

Totally agree
The only positive about climate change is science's ability to find solutions
If we accept change
Unlike trumps drill baby drill speech today......

The UK led the industrial revolution. We need to lead the solution. We have universities than can research solutions to climate change. Climate change is solved with good science. Conflict is solved by working collaboratively. We need to do more not less.

I'm inclined to agree that it's a poorly targeted stunt and unfortunately the wider issues get lost. However I strongly defend the right to protest and freedom of speech. Not in such a way that it causes harm.

Nah, OP I’m with Bill on this one.

Bill McGuire, the emeritus professor of geophysical and climate hazards at University College London, whose expert evidence the judge said could not be heard in court, derided the trial and verdict as “a farce”.

“They mark a low point in British justice and they were an assault on free speech,” he said. “The judge’s characterisation of climate breakdown as a matter of opinion and belief is completely nonsensical and demonstrates extraordinary ignorance.
“Similarly, to suggest that the climate emergency is irrelevant in relation to whether the defendants had a reasonable case for action is crass stupidity.”

Knock it off.

Some of us care about wasting court time and vulnerable victims having to wait even longer. Funny that you apparently don't.

Why are you using this site, surely if you only want to use fuel in an emergency you shouldn't be using your phone or laptop unless it's an emergency or does your tech charge on hot air ? Happy to use electricity for your own needs but everyone else must go back to the stone age ! Double standards but that is typical.

You know what, I think it warrants just as long a sentence. More in fact. The climate wankers didn't care if anyone died as a result of their protests. Initially wouldn't let ambulances through. Didn't care if people lost jobs, failed to get to interviews, could get to child pick ups, got raised blood pressure and died of a stroke. They cared not one bit about the negative repercussions on the lives of not just one person but many many thousands.

I just can’t get my head around the level of overbearing arrogance that says “I’m so morally superior to you that the law doesn’t apply and I can inconvenience you however I want”.

Their actions are totally counter productive because it just buys in to the “loony lefties” narrative about anyone who cares about this issue. They don’t win hearts and minds, they just piss everyone off.

I think the reason that we get such a variety of answers on this is because people judge the guilt based on their assessment on the validity of the cause. I mean, what if Tommy Robinson's gang blocked the M25 and caused goodness knows how much disruption? I think the same people excusing ER and JSO would happily throw away the key because they don't agree with the cause.

A judge has to look at the offense, not the motivation. If not, you'll end up with a (valid) grievance similar to those who claim police favouritism. i.e. allowing BLM while anti-lockdown protests and the Sarah Everard vigil were violently broken up.

And plenty have, what’s your point.

Plenty of people manage to travel on roads, get relatives to hospital, pick up kids etc without being affected by jso, and plenty of art galleries and sporting events have not been affected

But still, they're non violent protestors - personally not a huge fan of them, although do support the cause but they should've gotten a lot of community service or the like - enough to keep them busy, not incarcerated at our expense.

Maybe not everyone. Only those who need to travel to work on roads, or have relatives that need to get to hospital, or a child to pick up. God forbid we have any money left at the end of the week and go to a stage production, or a sporting event, or want to see a painting, or a famous monument, but apparently we should accept those things being vandalised too?

They're not disrupting everyone's lives

Am I glad they went to prison? Yes. Do I think the sentences were excessive? Also yes. The message needs to be that you can't act with impunity, disrupting infrastructure, impacting the economy and so on. That said, I heard this morning of a man who violently mugged someone in London for a Rolex watch walk free with a ban from certain parts of London. That frustrates me. If ER are getting 5 years, that low life needs 25.

I have a degree of sympathy with the cause, but have an instinctive dislike for self-righteous middle class people with purple hair lecturing me, when we're all working so hard, getting up early, making sacrifices.

As Konstantin Kitin said, paraphrased, put your energies into finding transformative scientific advancement in energy generation, not as best ruining peoples fun, at worst risking lives.

As usual @EmbracingTheGrey jumping to conclusions !

think they know it all…😦🙄and they do not

I think it's really sad. But maybe you'd be happy as a woman not to have the vote either? But I guess you're happy to have benefitted from those protests. But the planet, nah.... not worth it is it, if it inconveniences you. Sometimes, non violent protest is essential to effect change. How very sad that so many of you are revelling in this.

JSO were planning to disrupt flights this summer at Gatwick etc so families that have worked and saved all year to take kids away would’ve been caught up! It’s unfair added to all the other defacing at Stonehenge and shit they have done…anyone I speak to agrees tough sentences should deter them …it’s got so many people’s backs up! Enjoy your time inside it made my day 🤣🤣

What the fuck does any of that mean?

I understand technically it is peaceful protest as no violence used, but their defacing, vandalism, disruption, is unacceptable . If they wish to peaceful protest they should do so, and stop with the weird publicity stunts trying to disrupt and cause the general public distress and hardship.