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To think the judge was right to throw the book at Just Stop Oil?

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StripedPiggy · 18/07/2024 19:30

Five Just Stop Oil activists, including leader & XR founder Roger Hallam have been sentenced to up to 5 years in jail for blocking the M25 & other main roads.
Their intention was to cause gridlock on roads in the South East. The disruption they caused resulted in people missing medical appointments, flights & business meetings.

Well done to that judge. The criminal justice system is right to pass serious sentences on these fanatics which will act as a strong deterrent to others who might try to cause mass disruption, and put people’s lives in danger, to further a political agenda, whatever it might be.

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BubblePerm · 18/07/2024 22:14

I'm guessing those jailed didn't need jobs to go to, no zero hour contract to get to while hoping your car doesn't conk out on the M25 until these privileged twats go out and stop them earning a crust.
These people are hobbyists who don't live in the real world. The sense of disregard and lack of care for others is astounding.
I agree with the cause but not the methods. I bet that they are all financially well cushioned with a care in the world
apart from their wee hobby.

Collexifon · 18/07/2024 22:14

So he was a farmer, he ran a cafe and he's an academic.

God. String him up!

Pleasebeafleabite · 18/07/2024 22:14

Collexifon · 18/07/2024 22:05

I am glad I'm not this morally anaesthetised.

Morally anaesthetised is thinking it’s acceptable to inflict inconvenience on other people. I go about my day seeking not to inconvenience other people because I’m not a twat

BogusHocusPocus · 18/07/2024 22:11

@Collexifon

Believe it.

A cursory look at Wiki reveals Roger Hallam - real name Julian - has barely held down a normal job in his life.

Apart from being a professional student, studying for a PhD in his fifties,

"he was part of a cooperativee* that opened a vegetarian cafe.... he was part an organic food cooperative. He lived in a communal-type house, with around six people, with division of labour.
He was previously an organic farmerr* on a 10-acre (4-hectare) smallholdingg*.

These people aren't 9-5ers grafting at the coalface and forming the backbone of the economy. I can't say for sure, but I doubt many of them work 'regular' jobs subject to PAYE taxes. What right do they think they have to prevent others from doing so? Arrogance of the highest order.

I bet he had a very nasty shock when he was handed that sentence.

Babycatsmummy · 18/07/2024 22:08

Collexifon · 18/07/2024 22:06

They did no permanent damage to anything.

Oh and that makes it ok?

Collexifon · 18/07/2024 22:06

Babycatsmummy · 18/07/2024 22:02

@iamtheblcksheep so true! Not to mention the fact they graffitied Stonehenge and expensive artwork. I understand they won't to be heard but they are going the wrong way about it!

They did no permanent damage to anything.

Collexifon · 18/07/2024 22:05

Pleasebeafleabite · 18/07/2024 22:03

Absolutely. I can just then get on with my fucking day

I am glad I'm not this morally anaesthetised.

Allfur · 18/07/2024 22:05

Pleasebeafleabite · 18/07/2024 22:03

Absolutely. I can just then get on with my fucking day

Because you've got important stuff to do

Pleasebeafleabite · 18/07/2024 22:03

hairbearbunches · 18/07/2024 20:40

Oh ffs. You get less time for killing someone in a car. It's an egregious sentence to have passed. Absolutely fucking outrageous Do you really want to live in a country where 5 year sentences for plotting to cause a public nuisance are being handed out?

Absolutely. I can just then get on with my fucking day

Babycatsmummy · 18/07/2024 22:02

@iamtheblcksheep so true! Not to mention the fact they graffitied Stonehenge and expensive artwork. I understand they won't to be heard but they are going the wrong way about it!

Bloom15 · 18/07/2024 22:01

CombatLingerie · 18/07/2024 20:04

I agree with@Beth216. In reality these so called climate activists are just good old fashioned anarchists. They brainwash their followers into thinking they really care about climate change. They don’t. Their only aim is to disrupt society. They deserve prison. I hope they serve the full sentences handed down to them but I doubt they will.

Agreed.

The vast majority of them are white, middle class twits

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 18/07/2024 22:00

I cannot believe people want to see people go to jail for 5 years for causing a traffic jam.

Yes because that's what they got 5 years in prison for 😂🙄.

PostItInABook · 18/07/2024 21:58

And if you think JSO are in any way, shape or form going to effect ANY change at all doing what they do you are deluded. In fact, all they do is harm their cause.

And actually, small changes add up if done as a collective. Plus, they are all us ordinary individuals can do. You’re directing your ire and patronising tone at the wrong people. What are YOU doing about climate change? Besides sneering at others about the ‘science’ online I mean?

Collexifon · 18/07/2024 21:55

User3962 · 18/07/2024 21:53

If you think small changes and small talks are sufficient at this stage (when we’re already well on track to exceed 1.5c very shortly) then you’ve not listened to the science.

Quite.

And the snobbery around the protesters being jobless and calling them thick is right out of the Farage playbook

It's depressing

I cannot believe people want to see people go to jail for 5 years for causing a traffic jam.

User3962 · 18/07/2024 21:53

PostItInABook · 18/07/2024 21:29

Obstructing an emergency worker going about their job is a criminal offence. They repeatedly obstructed both ambulance and police, as well as all the other illegal disruption they caused. They got what they deserved. I have zero sympathy.

Yes rapists, child abusers etc should get harsher sentences. Everyone agrees with that. It doesn’t mean the sentences for JSO are wrong.

I’ll tell you what has encouraged me to make some changes - attending small talks by intelligent, passionate people who know what they’re talking about, practice what they preach, spread their message appropriately and offer realistic advice on small but impactful changes individuals can make. Not a bunch of hypocritical, jobless, feckless thicko’s that think causing mass disruption to ordinary people and destroying works of art is the way to effect change.

If you think small changes and small talks are sufficient at this stage (when we’re already well on track to exceed 1.5c very shortly) then you’ve not listened to the science.

LlynTegid · 18/07/2024 21:52

My sympathy for their methods was lost when they blocked public transport on the DLR, to the place with one of the lowest uses of cars to travel to work their is. Yet they never protest outside an SUV dealership or about those who drive half a mile to school.

Collexifon · 18/07/2024 21:52

The judge agreed that climate change was real and a threat, but forbade the Jury from using it as mitigation. What a prat.

User3962 · 18/07/2024 21:50

RedToothBrush · 18/07/2024 20:32

No I'm suggesting that protesting in this way like a bunch of dicks achieves precisely nothing and it certainly doesn't stop climate problems.

Indeed it's more likely to cause people to be belligerent and turn the heating up to spite the protesters even though this makes precisely no sense but people have been pissed off and do weird shit.

There are better ways to protest and to engage which might actually do something meaningful.

This is not it.

Like what? Because right now nothing is working.

Collexifon · 18/07/2024 21:49

Blackcats7 · 18/07/2024 21:35

Whilst I don’t agree with their actions at all this length of sentence seems ridiculous when compared to the sentencing for rape, assault, attempted kidnap etc.
For example the man just sentenced for planning to kidnap, rape and murder Holly Willoughby had attempted kidnap and then successfully kidnapped women previously and his sentences were 18 months suspended and then 2 years respectively.
I think there needs to be far better parity of sentencing with more weight being given to directly violent crime. This is even more important given the lack of prison spaces.
I wonder if this judge would be as harsh on men who kill their wives or is he just the usual reactionary privileged male who has his own agenda of what is and what is not important.

It is a totally ridiculous sentence

OhHelloMiss · 18/07/2024 21:35

Well they won't enjoy prison so it will probably work and stop them reoffending!

Blackcats7 · 18/07/2024 21:35

Whilst I don’t agree with their actions at all this length of sentence seems ridiculous when compared to the sentencing for rape, assault, attempted kidnap etc.
For example the man just sentenced for planning to kidnap, rape and murder Holly Willoughby had attempted kidnap and then successfully kidnapped women previously and his sentences were 18 months suspended and then 2 years respectively.
I think there needs to be far better parity of sentencing with more weight being given to directly violent crime. This is even more important given the lack of prison spaces.
I wonder if this judge would be as harsh on men who kill their wives or is he just the usual reactionary privileged male who has his own agenda of what is and what is not important.

H34th · 18/07/2024 21:33

Being heard*

H34th · 18/07/2024 21:33

I agree it's dangerous and costing a lot of people a lot of money.

On the other hand, they clearly feel they need to do something so drastic to get some attention.

I watched The Suffraghete movie recently and they did similar because of how helpless they felt in being hurt.

We (governments) all say we agree with their cause but we carry on the same regardless.

TheHuntSyndicate · 18/07/2024 21:31

I wish it had been ten years not five.

Him and his kind are utterly deranged.

PostItInABook · 18/07/2024 21:29

Obstructing an emergency worker going about their job is a criminal offence. They repeatedly obstructed both ambulance and police, as well as all the other illegal disruption they caused. They got what they deserved. I have zero sympathy.

Yes rapists, child abusers etc should get harsher sentences. Everyone agrees with that. It doesn’t mean the sentences for JSO are wrong.

I’ll tell you what has encouraged me to make some changes - attending small talks by intelligent, passionate people who know what they’re talking about, practice what they preach, spread their message appropriately and offer realistic advice on small but impactful changes individuals can make. Not a bunch of hypocritical, jobless, feckless thicko’s that think causing mass disruption to ordinary people and destroying works of art is the way to effect change.

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