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AIBU to not care about pleasantries with colleagues?

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mamabeeboo · 18/07/2024 14:15

Just wanting some opinions on this.

We are a team of 8 and all work remotely, since the pandemic. Each week, we have a one hour team call where we 'don't talk about work'. We also have a whatsapp group.

This is a one hour call to replace the office coffee chat, where we share photos on our whatsapp group about our 'highlights' of the week - holiday photos, the kids in the park, birthdays, netflix recommendations etc.

I find it very superficial. I don't like sharing photos of my kids or personal life, and to be honest, I don't really care about anyone else's personal life. I don't even download any of their photos to my phone. I listen politely but the whole call is very boring for me. When it's my turn to speak, I blag a short 'I did this, it was nice', 60 secs max.

I've suggested to management to do this every 2 weeks, answer no. I have suggested that I want to only attend sometimes, and was met with 'please try to prioritise this call, since we work remotely and it's the way to get to know the team'.

I am used to the office chit-chat over coffee about nice weather and traffic complaints. That's it.

AIBU to not care about colleagues' personal life and want to not join these calls?

OP posts:
Purplebiscuitwithsprinkles · 18/07/2024 17:32

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 18/07/2024 14:22

I work from home; there are a few of us who do. It was suggested that we have a 'tea break' call scheduled in once a week but it was talked down. None of us who work from home would necessarily be free or would even want to have a scheduled time to chat-not-about-work with colleagues.

It's a daft idea. Colleagues who are also friends will find time to chat, those colleagues who are just colleagues will find the time to talk about what they need to talk about.

100% this.

Gingertam · 18/07/2024 17:29

TorroFerney · 18/07/2024 16:22

I agree and I am not a chit chatter. The challenge is that if it becomes optional, the people who really need it will suffer. Perhaps reframe it as being part of your job, social responsibility or something. If the minutiae of people's lives is boring can you do something else, virtual quiz/virtual bingo. It will be a lifeline to some people in your organisation.

Oh for goodness sake. OP just wants to do her job. She's not there to sort the mental health of her colleagues.

myottercarisaboat · 18/07/2024 17:24

I agree OP, managed to get a lot of chat during daily catch up calls with my remote team. We don't need an hour long (!) social call.
30 mins every 2 weeks if they insist would suffice and conversation needs to be more structured to keep flowing

Gingertam · 18/07/2024 17:22

Totally agree. I loathe these type of things. We had virtual coffee chats like this during Covid. They were voluntary fortunately so we could dip out. Ours was hijacked by the same people who monopolised it. I'm not interested in your dog or your children. Surprisingly some people don't want to share their private life. Yours sounds even worse. Luckily they've stopped now we're hybrid. I have friends at work. The others are just colleagues and I just want to get on with my job. If people are lonely at home they need to get a job outside the home.

Rewis · 18/07/2024 17:16

I don't think chit chat really works over teams. Especially if it is more than maybe 4 people. We have a weekly voluntary coffee break with the team. I attended once and it was so not organic and everyone didn't have space. Reason coffee break works is that you can have several small conversations

NeverDropYourMooncup · 18/07/2024 17:10

mamabeeboo · 18/07/2024 17:02

I like this. It would seem more organic. Rather than this virtual "circle time".

Trouble is that your 20 minute kitchen description takes up most or all of it, then somebody else goes on about their instaworthy life, but some of the less confident but wanting/needing to communicate or connect with people (and plenty of ND people do want to engage & can & do develop skills in the workplace environment that they didn't previously) just won't ever get to the point of being able to say anything.

Thmssngvwlsrnd · 18/07/2024 17:08

I would hate it too but would think of the money instead, to get me through it. I would try to think "at least I'm getting paid just to listen to this and nod occasionally". There are worse ways to earn an hours pay.

mamabeeboo · 18/07/2024 17:02

YellowAsteroid · 18/07/2024 16:50

YABU. I've just spent a day working closely with my team in a quite high pressure task, but we relaxed & had an hour off for lunch, and I thought how lucky I was to be working with such decent nice people. I know this because we chit chat & tell each other about bits of our lives - we're normal sociable humans (as a species humans are social animals). Nothing heavy, but pleasant.

Swapping stories or bits of non-work related information makes work better &v easier.

The only thing that I think your team should think about changing is that it's an HOUR long Teams call. That's too long & it could feel pressured. What about starting one meeting every couple of days 15 minutes earlier for catching up, so that it's a quick chitchat every few days?

I like this. It would seem more organic. Rather than this virtual "circle time".

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DoAClassicCamel · 18/07/2024 17:00

Id rather do a quiz or bingo than endure the conversation and I love a chat.

mamabeeboo · 18/07/2024 17:00

I choose to keep my part short because it's intrusive (I also question how much other people care). But others drone on. Someone was speaking for 20 mins about their kitchen renovation, going through all the photos they sent on WhatsApp. And it's exhausting to listen, smile, nod along, being polite. Whilst emails are pinging in the background. If this was the office, I'd have made my excuses and gone back to my desk.

After each monologue, we are asked "so does anyone have any questions?". It's not an organic conversation. At times I want to laugh cos it's ridiculous.

At the moment, it's very busy for me and the team. We don't have a full hour to BS about. But according to management,this is a priority for getting to know the team.

If other people's MH are struggling and they need the social interaction, then maybe don't get a Wfh job.

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MartinsSpareCalculator · 18/07/2024 16:58

HelplessSoul · 18/07/2024 14:31

"I think your manager is right because it isn't about you individually, it's about the collective wellbeing of your team."

What a load of bollocks.

What about the OP's well being? OP doesnt like these horseshit meetings so why be forced to attend something that does NOT aid the OP's well being or mental health?

🙄🤦‍♂️

You struggle with the concept of collective, yes?

They aren't being asked to do it outside of their working hours, and it isn't an unreasonable expectation.

YellowAsteroid · 18/07/2024 16:50

YABU. I've just spent a day working closely with my team in a quite high pressure task, but we relaxed & had an hour off for lunch, and I thought how lucky I was to be working with such decent nice people. I know this because we chit chat & tell each other about bits of our lives - we're normal sociable humans (as a species humans are social animals). Nothing heavy, but pleasant.

Swapping stories or bits of non-work related information makes work better &v easier.

The only thing that I think your team should think about changing is that it's an HOUR long Teams call. That's too long & it could feel pressured. What about starting one meeting every couple of days 15 minutes earlier for catching up, so that it's a quick chitchat every few days?

Zanatdy · 18/07/2024 16:37

1hr a week is too much for just non work chat. Why not have a team meeting once a week and tag 15mins on the end or do this once a month?

Needmorelego · 18/07/2024 16:36

@Notaboozy well this is part of the reason why employers want workers to actually come to work rather than WFH.
We are at risk of becoming isolated pod people.

Mrsttcno1 · 18/07/2024 16:33

It’s a duty of care and mental health thing more than anything else. You may have a DH and children and a full social life of people to speak to on a daily basis and that’s great for you, but there could equally be a member of your team who lives alone and speaks to absolutely nobody for days on end and when wfh misses out on any office chat. It’s important for those people.

Needmorelego · 18/07/2024 16:33

@HelplessSoul all she says is she doesn't want to share her private life and isn't interested in other people's. Yep...ok.
But she is being PAID to zone out for an hour and say something that's not exactly an invasion of her privacy like "Yep still halfway through the Bridgerton books....not done much else this week" and then go back to Zoning out.

Notaboozy · 18/07/2024 16:30

Sounds extremely tedious! These things are completely unorganic - it does not emulate normal social interaction in the slightest. I would have something else up on my screen and be quietly reading that until 'my turn'.

HelplessSoul · 18/07/2024 16:27

Needmorelego · 18/07/2024 16:25

@HelplessSoul well I don't know what the OPs job is so I can't comment on whether it's useful to her job or not.
I just don't see the issue. If her required work gets done and this is part of her paid day then why is it such a problem?
I used to be very shy and a one point in my life I would have struggled with something like this - but also in my job this wasn't something we could really do at work so at work I often felt isolated and lonely.
I now realise how important things like this can actually be and would have loved to be paid to chat about watching Bridgerton or the last book I read.

Re-read the OPs post.

OP has been clear why they think its a waste of time (and I agree).

Needmorelego · 18/07/2024 16:25

@HelplessSoul well I don't know what the OPs job is so I can't comment on whether it's useful to her job or not.
I just don't see the issue. If her required work gets done and this is part of her paid day then why is it such a problem?
I used to be very shy and a one point in my life I would have struggled with something like this - but also in my job this wasn't something we could really do at work so at work I often felt isolated and lonely.
I now realise how important things like this can actually be and would have loved to be paid to chat about watching Bridgerton or the last book I read.

TorroFerney · 18/07/2024 16:22

MartinsSpareCalculator · 18/07/2024 14:26

I think your manager is right because it isn't about you individually, it's about the collective wellbeing of your team. An hour a week is nothing and nobody is going to force you to be massively interested or to share anything you don't want to.

You sound unnecessarily difficult. I really struggle with small talk but I wouldn't begrudge this.

I agree and I am not a chit chatter. The challenge is that if it becomes optional, the people who really need it will suffer. Perhaps reframe it as being part of your job, social responsibility or something. If the minutiae of people's lives is boring can you do something else, virtual quiz/virtual bingo. It will be a lifeline to some people in your organisation.

HelplessSoul · 18/07/2024 16:17

Needmorelego · 18/07/2024 16:14

@HelplessSoul yes but a lot of what you have to do at work people don't often like or enjoy.
If it's affecting someone's mental health then they should seek help (which I had to do when I couldn't cope at work).

Yes, but what the OP is discussing here, in work time, is NOT work at all.

Its off-topic BS and divulging personal stuff, which the OP doesnt want to do, nor should be forced to.

Your remark would carry more weight if this was actually work related, but it isnt.

Its an hour of forced chatting shit time.

Needmorelego · 18/07/2024 16:14

@HelplessSoul yes but a lot of what you have to do at work people don't often like or enjoy.
If it's affecting someone's mental health then they should seek help (which I had to do when I couldn't cope at work).

HelplessSoul · 18/07/2024 16:11

Connected1 · 18/07/2024 15:44

They're getting paid for an hour to chat & listen. Why would it affect their mental health?

Did you miss the bit where the OP says she does NOT want to partake in this bullshit?

And by forcibly having to attending this crap, it can and probably IS affecting the OPs mental health. 🙄🤦‍♂️

coxesorangepippin · 18/07/2024 16:07

It's very forced and kind of counterintuitive, as the conversation doesn't flow as it does in real life.

You have to wait for people to finish their sentence, each person takes a turn at talking, no little cliquey conversations begin like they do in real life, all those little squares looking at you, etc.

But what's your alternative? In office chit chats?

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 18/07/2024 15:58

Winterjoy · 18/07/2024 15:53

It sounds like we have had very different workplace experiences! I guess that could show that the perfect solution then would be for employers to offer the sessions but not make them mandatory, so that both those who want to befriend colleagues, and those that want to stay strictly professional, are both catered to.

Yes, as I said above, I would find this kind of forced interaction a bit awkward. But I wouldn't personally ever choose to work in a wfh job.

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