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What on earth is my mother doing??

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Hummingbird75 · 18/07/2024 08:05

For context I am an the adult child of an abusive father, the kind MN would always say LTB.

My father would tell us regularly he hated children, and couldn't stand us and spent most of my childhood hitting and abusing me physically and mentally. Being told he did not love me was far worse than anything he did with his fists as a child. It was devastating. He barely spoke to me when he wasn't losing his temper.

He abused my mother for years in a controlling way but stopped physically assaulting her when he started taking his temper out on us. My mother always said she would leave him, and she had many options to do so, but never did. I grew up desperate for his love and approval initially, to be even noticed enough for him to talk to me. It never happened.

Once I reached adulthood, I realised my 'normal' childhood was not normal at all, and over the years my father and I have been low contact. I remained close to my mother, mainly because he didn't want to be around us anyway beyond keeping my mother happy. My father and I settled on a very superficial relationship that was entirely empty of all meaning.

Once I had dc and he became abusive towards them (making my dc cry calling them fat and being unkind about their appearance when they were young) I went completely no contact with the help and support of MN at the time. To protect my dc. This has been the case for over six years or so. We just keep in contact with my mother which makes things very awkward at times. My mother says she is happy to stay now with him, they have worked out their differences, it suits her to stay with him, at her age.

Last year my father became very, very ill. I supported my mother, but did not contact him. I still choose to keep my children safe, and away from him. It was very hard and sad at the time. My mother said he is getting old we need to 'make up', so I gave him a choice. If my father agreed to be nice to us and not say anything harmful I will restart contact given his age and ill health.
My father refused outright on the phone - he said no and actually laughed at me. He should be able to say what he likes to us, and he will not agree to anything of the sort. I was only asking for him to promise to be kind, nothing more. I was hardly asking for the world.

There was no way I was going to restart contact with him basically telling me he would continue to abuse me/us (as he has always done)

Since then my mother has completely stopped calling. She seemingly will not forgive me for stopping contact and ruining her illusion of a 'happy family'. She has not visited my house in over five years, and refuses to meet me other than from her house (which is very triggering now for me being there, I sometimes have panic attacks when I am outside because I am still so afraid of my father) unless I collect her a few times a year I would never see her. I had a serious illness at the beginning of this year that could have been a terminal diagnosis, she did not even call me then or offer any support whatsoever. I was so hurt by her total indifference. She really did not seem to care.

What she does every day, is send me a WA message saying she loves me to the 'moon and back' and variations of very over the top love messages which feel very insincere and sickly.

I don't FEEL remotely loved by her.

The messages and words feel completely empty to me. I don't know why she sends them, and I have no idea how to respond to her. I asked her to please stop because they were upsetting me, but she carries on anyway. The same message on repeat every single day of undying love, but she never calls or asks how we are in the messages. I am expected to do all of the calling and all of the visiting still regardless of my health. These 'issues' seem irrelevant to her. She sometimes talks about the weather but nothing else, ever. It feels really pointless. I have tried to engage with her properly and she then retreats into silent treatment and this can last for months at a time.

I am so confused.

What is happening here? Why is she sending these messages to me?

It feels like she has cut me off to all intents and purposes, and her daily text hurts me because it seems like she is saying she loves me, but it doesn't feel like she loves or cares about me at all.

I have no idea what I should do about this now.

What am I missing about this situation?

OP posts:
JournalistEmily · 19/07/2024 18:29

You are being abused by both your parents I’m afraid OP. Zero contact with both is the only way

tolerable · 19/07/2024 17:54

sweetheart. Block her.
Regardless of wtf her intention is -the contct she is hving with you,is at best disturbing.
Your dad, is a write off-not sorry or bothered..fk him... Your mum hasnt and isnt protexctive of you or your kids.regrdless of her "love messages"which somewhere in her world she my well men..they re damaging to you.
Youve come this far-and are a parent now. You dont have to hate them,you dont have to "understnd"them and you sure s hell do not hve to suffer them.
whether coersive or equally as abusive.they int gony change.
So.step into your own self worth. Change how you deal with them. and for yourown sanity-cut them both off.You can not change day of it.you can not change them.
whether or not you send intimation before block is up to you.(i wouldnt)
You can respect and love yourself enough to tke control and make it stop. Guilt free-you were ALWAYS the child in this situation. theres bound to be self-help if cant afford therapy. x

blacksax · 19/07/2024 16:39

Hummingbird75 · 19/07/2024 06:51

Genuinely, yes, she wants me to bring my children back to a man she has openly acknowledged is harmful to my children for them to continue to be abused by him so she can play happy families. It is deeply shocking. For her it is more important to get the family back together than it is to keep the children safe. It is her number one priority.

She has given up trying to change him, that isn't going to happen, so if she can try and force us to accept him as he is, then she can be happy again with her family back together.

It is seriously messed up.

Her priority here is not my children, or my well being - but her own wish to have everyone back on good terms (even though she knows it can't possibly last more than hour or two) This is all she cares about.

My mother knows he is awful and dangerous, she has admitted he is awful on multiple occasions and that what he does is abuse. And yet she seems more interested in ensuring her wishes are met for us all to pretend nothing awful has happened - or indeed happening and she gets to have a slice of the good life for a few hours before he shatters it again.

If she is encouraging his potential future abuse of you and your children and sweep it all under the carpet, then that makes her an abuser too. I also suspect that since all she's interested in is trying to get what she wants (which is to play 'happy families'), she may be something of a deluded narcissist. She doesn't care about you and the children, she cares only about herself.

I'm so sorry.

ifIwerenotanandroid · 19/07/2024 13:33

OP, so much of your story is the same as mine. I believe there may be more than one reason for your mother to try to get you (& your DC) back with your father.

One is, as you say, so that in her eyes there's a happy, united family. Another is so that to the outside world, everything looks normal. A third reason (& this was a big factor in my parent's relationship) is that your father may be putting pressure on her to get you back & available for abuse - bluntly, to serve up victims for him. To groom them on his behalf, to enable his abuse. My father was relentless in breaking someone down if they didn't do what he wanted. Yours may be doing the same behind the scenes.

I had the same problem with my mother. I tried to see just her, but the first time we met up alone (I'd already told her I wouldn't go to their house or see my father any more), she just tried to get me to go to their house & have dinner with them both! It was hopeless. I went NC with them both & kept it up from that day onwards. It's a personal decision & we each make our own choices at different stages of our lives, so I'm not saying you should do the same.

Purplecatshopaholic · 19/07/2024 12:59

Oh golly op, I remember your thread about Christmas - I felt so upset on your behalf. I am so sorry you don’t have the parents you deserve - they are as bad as each other in very different ways - and your eloquent writing really affected me. I hope you cut them both off completely - for your kids as well as yourself. I wish you love, luck and joy going forward.

IsawwhatIsaw · 19/07/2024 12:53

Your mother is sending those messages for herself, not you. As evidence of her concern. Of course given her behaviour they mean absolutely nothing .
You sound strong , do whatever you need to do putting yourself and your children first. She deserves nothing from you, I wouldn’t even bother replying.

Lunde · 19/07/2024 12:42

Hummingbird75 · 19/07/2024 06:55

You have remembered so well! Yes, that was the last time I saw him and a good few years ago. I came on to MN for support then, and it was the last time I stood in a room with him. We agreed on the thread to keep up contact with my mother and cut my father out, which I did, but now things have become so difficult with my mother as well I have posted again this week.

I can't believe you remember that! Yes that was me.

I'm really sorry that things haven't improved since then. It was the totally cruelty of your mother that stuck in my head from that thread - where she directed your father where to find you and beat you while she just calmly carried on cooking and ignoring your screams/scars.

Runsyd · 19/07/2024 12:41

OP, you've had so many helpful messages. I think your therapist was spot on identifying your mother as a covert narc. Her behaviour is hideous.

You've had therapy, you have more insight into your family dynamics, but I don't feel you've had enough therapy yet to fully accept that you cannot change your parents and will never get your mother to be the mother you need. You're still trauma bonded with her, and that is what is keeping you hooked in with her games.

But the fact is you don't actually need her to be that mother now. That's the yearning child in you that craves that. You can move towards complete acceptance, but I would highly recommend you go back into therapy, and go no contact with your mother until you get to the point of complete indifference to how she feels or behaves. It is possible. I've been where you are now, and once thought it was impossible to come to terms with my parents' appalling behaviour. I was wrong. It very much is possible and it's completely liberating. My father is still alive and still doing his 'I love you/you're so awful' narc crap on me and he gets no reaction at all because no bit of me cares any more.

Dayoldbag · 19/07/2024 12:39

I agree with this @deeahgwitch
When your father dies she will be thinking everything is fine I have Humingbird to look after me etc.,.

I can tell you it is a real shock to them when that doesn't happen and you stay away with your children.

She will play victim and blame him and YOU for being hard and unforgiving.

She stood by and listened to those screams. The screams of a young child.
She directed his abuse towards you.
She is no better than him.

Pull away now, accept the reality of who they are.
Continue to be the loving mother you are and don't waste anymore of your one life trying to understand THEIR ugliness.

Just stay the hell away from their toxicity.

deeahgwitch · 19/07/2024 11:11

Your mother is thinking of the future @Hummingbird75
Her future.
If your father dies she will be on her own.
She is drawing you back in so you will be there for her when he is gone.

If it were me I'd have nothing to do with her.

I am so lucky to have the Mum I have when i read threads on here about unsupportive mothers

MrsSunshine2b · 19/07/2024 10:44

Hummingbird75 · 18/07/2024 12:23

Yes, she would often just cook in the kitchen and ignore it as I screamed. Sometimes she would shout that is enough, not often. She mostly stayed out of it.

This made me feel nauseous. She's no better than your father OP, you deserved at least one decent parent and I'm sorry you didn't get one. She put her wants ahead of your needs every step of the way. Block her on WhatsApp, if she really needs to contact you she will find another route.

Hummingbird75 · 19/07/2024 06:55

Lunde · 18/07/2024 22:00

OP - have you posted about your mother enabling your father and playing the victim before? On a Christmas thread? The bit about your mother ignoring your father's physical abuse of you and just continuing to cook just rings a bell.

You have remembered so well! Yes, that was the last time I saw him and a good few years ago. I came on to MN for support then, and it was the last time I stood in a room with him. We agreed on the thread to keep up contact with my mother and cut my father out, which I did, but now things have become so difficult with my mother as well I have posted again this week.

I can't believe you remember that! Yes that was me.

OP posts:
Hummingbird75 · 19/07/2024 06:51

blacksax · 18/07/2024 22:20

In order for you to be able to have a relationship with her, she expects you to allow yourself and your children to be abused by your father.

You were a child and for years, she turned a blind eye to his abuse of you, and did nothing to protect you. And now you have managed to protect yourself by staying away from him, she wants you to come back and let it happen all over again?

If that isn't fucked-up thinking, I don't know what is.

Genuinely, yes, she wants me to bring my children back to a man she has openly acknowledged is harmful to my children for them to continue to be abused by him so she can play happy families. It is deeply shocking. For her it is more important to get the family back together than it is to keep the children safe. It is her number one priority.

She has given up trying to change him, that isn't going to happen, so if she can try and force us to accept him as he is, then she can be happy again with her family back together.

It is seriously messed up.

Her priority here is not my children, or my well being - but her own wish to have everyone back on good terms (even though she knows it can't possibly last more than hour or two) This is all she cares about.

My mother knows he is awful and dangerous, she has admitted he is awful on multiple occasions and that what he does is abuse. And yet she seems more interested in ensuring her wishes are met for us all to pretend nothing awful has happened - or indeed happening and she gets to have a slice of the good life for a few hours before he shatters it again.

OP posts:
ThisNoisyTealLurker · 18/07/2024 23:42

The messages are irrelevant, her behaviour is what counts and it sounds very toxic. You need to look after yourself and your family as they are what matters now. It may sound harsh but your mum made her choice and decided to side with her husband. You don’t owe either of them anything at all. I hope you find some peace, it sounds like you e suffered enough x

Gatecrashermum · 18/07/2024 23:21

OP, I'm so sorry for everything you've gone through.

You speak so eloquently of the little child inside you longing to be taken care of and kept safe.

I'd like to suggest you take time every day to imagine that child, picture yourself at that age. And talk to yourself. Offer yourself that love and attention and care. Allow that child to cry and scream and rage - whatever they want or need to do or say. And be there for them. Love them and accept them.

I wish you all the best xxx

Polkadottydot · 18/07/2024 22:44

I couldn't not reply as your posts and you working through the history of what you have been subject to is truly horrible.
I get that you want the happy ending and I get that your inner child is still wondering what you did wrong but you didn't do a thing. This was NOT YOUR FAULT.

You do right to silence the WhatsApp messages and give yourself some head space. It's a simple thing but I think we should always ask what we'd tell a very good friend in this position and try to do that. I am so proud you got out and made that distance. I think some therapy will work out for you why it's ok to stay away from, go incredibly low if not no contact and also to maybe pull back from your brother too. As he's probably suffering if he's blocking out the past. His acceptance won't help your mum understand you.
I truly hope you find peace here. You deserve what you're giving to your children for yourself. Peace. And you song amazing

blacksax · 18/07/2024 22:20

In order for you to be able to have a relationship with her, she expects you to allow yourself and your children to be abused by your father.

You were a child and for years, she turned a blind eye to his abuse of you, and did nothing to protect you. And now you have managed to protect yourself by staying away from him, she wants you to come back and let it happen all over again?

If that isn't fucked-up thinking, I don't know what is.

Lunde · 18/07/2024 22:00

OP - have you posted about your mother enabling your father and playing the victim before? On a Christmas thread? The bit about your mother ignoring your father's physical abuse of you and just continuing to cook just rings a bell.

REP22 · 18/07/2024 18:10

I hear you @Hummingbird75 . I am a relatively successful, generally popular and articulate woman in my late forties. But with just one single word, gesture or look from my M I am instantly again the frightened and humiliated 7 year old, crouching in the shadows, desperate for affection and kindness.

I can bear it now because (with therapy) I have understood that nothing I could ever say or do - now or then - could change the attitudes and behaviours of those responsible. They are not capable of change or even of the most basic insight. All I can control is how I react. They have no power over me now.

You've done the right things and all you can do to bring this under your own control. If you don't feed the plant it will eventually wither and fade, whereas you can bloom forever more.

I think you are a wise, insightful and decent person who has found yourself in a wretched situation through no fault of your own. I appreciate your updates and to know that you are doing what you can to protect yourself and those who matter. Your children are very lucky to have you. xx

ilovesushi · 18/07/2024 17:21

Op, I wish you all the luck in the world as you navigate this.

I know you know this already, but you will never ever ever get from your mother that true feeling of being cherished and cared for. However many interactions you have with her, however many times you hope and pray for the script to play out differently and give you that happy ending, it can't because of her lack, not because of anything you do or say, or anything about the way you are. If she does drop any breadcrumbs, they are not worth the while you even stopping to notice them as they don't come with genuine love and care for you, they come with manipulation and self interest.

Wishing you lots of strength to step away from it all, and find the love and care you deserve in your own family (DC and partner if you have one).

xxx

BustyLaRoux · 18/07/2024 17:11

I think you miss your mum. But I don’t think she can be what you need her to be right now. It’s her choice. She has to live with the choices she makes and it’s not your job to sacrifice yourself, your sanity, your happiness to try and make her feel better. Perhaps when your dad passes away, you can reignite your relationship when she is ready to have a reciprocal relationship. Your needs are important. It’s not your job to fix her. It was her job to care for you and support you, and she didn’t.

herebehippos · 18/07/2024 17:07

That wish to be a child, to have someone parent you, even for 5 minutes cab be overwhelming can't it. I recently took something to a friends parents house and they made me a cup of tea. Afterwards, in the car, I burst into tears because they were lovely and for a few minutes it reminded me of visiting my grandparents as a little child, the only people who did love and parent me.
I try to give myself permission to have fun, to relax, to let other people (dh mostly) take care of me and a lot of my early therapy was centered around that. It's so hard!

AngryLikeHades · 18/07/2024 17:06

wibblywobblywoo · 18/07/2024 16:50

OP there is a form of therapy, regression in a way I guess, that is used for victims of childhood abuse where childhood is recreated, from baby hood onwards to enable the victim to experience normal emotions at each stage, it's full on but it, or a version of it, might be what you need to move forward. Sorry I don't know the proper name of it.

Psychodynamic therapy involves this.
It does other things too, so might not be what @wibblywobblywoo is referring to.
I had a clinical psychologist on the NHS and the therapist was this style and has helped me immeasurably and I have a manipulative and abusive, gaslighting mother.
There will be therapists that work privately with this style of 'depth work' therapy and it has Freudian elements to it, but is adjusted to meet reality and the modern world. The bigoted Freudian ideas would have no place in it, if that is what worries you.
I think psychodynamic therapy usually costs alot unless it is NHS or subsidised. I wish you the best xxxx 💐

wibblywobblywoo · 18/07/2024 16:50

OP there is a form of therapy, regression in a way I guess, that is used for victims of childhood abuse where childhood is recreated, from baby hood onwards to enable the victim to experience normal emotions at each stage, it's full on but it, or a version of it, might be what you need to move forward. Sorry I don't know the proper name of it.

diddl · 18/07/2024 16:44

All the best to you Op.