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What on earth is my mother doing??

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Hummingbird75 · 18/07/2024 08:05

For context I am an the adult child of an abusive father, the kind MN would always say LTB.

My father would tell us regularly he hated children, and couldn't stand us and spent most of my childhood hitting and abusing me physically and mentally. Being told he did not love me was far worse than anything he did with his fists as a child. It was devastating. He barely spoke to me when he wasn't losing his temper.

He abused my mother for years in a controlling way but stopped physically assaulting her when he started taking his temper out on us. My mother always said she would leave him, and she had many options to do so, but never did. I grew up desperate for his love and approval initially, to be even noticed enough for him to talk to me. It never happened.

Once I reached adulthood, I realised my 'normal' childhood was not normal at all, and over the years my father and I have been low contact. I remained close to my mother, mainly because he didn't want to be around us anyway beyond keeping my mother happy. My father and I settled on a very superficial relationship that was entirely empty of all meaning.

Once I had dc and he became abusive towards them (making my dc cry calling them fat and being unkind about their appearance when they were young) I went completely no contact with the help and support of MN at the time. To protect my dc. This has been the case for over six years or so. We just keep in contact with my mother which makes things very awkward at times. My mother says she is happy to stay now with him, they have worked out their differences, it suits her to stay with him, at her age.

Last year my father became very, very ill. I supported my mother, but did not contact him. I still choose to keep my children safe, and away from him. It was very hard and sad at the time. My mother said he is getting old we need to 'make up', so I gave him a choice. If my father agreed to be nice to us and not say anything harmful I will restart contact given his age and ill health.
My father refused outright on the phone - he said no and actually laughed at me. He should be able to say what he likes to us, and he will not agree to anything of the sort. I was only asking for him to promise to be kind, nothing more. I was hardly asking for the world.

There was no way I was going to restart contact with him basically telling me he would continue to abuse me/us (as he has always done)

Since then my mother has completely stopped calling. She seemingly will not forgive me for stopping contact and ruining her illusion of a 'happy family'. She has not visited my house in over five years, and refuses to meet me other than from her house (which is very triggering now for me being there, I sometimes have panic attacks when I am outside because I am still so afraid of my father) unless I collect her a few times a year I would never see her. I had a serious illness at the beginning of this year that could have been a terminal diagnosis, she did not even call me then or offer any support whatsoever. I was so hurt by her total indifference. She really did not seem to care.

What she does every day, is send me a WA message saying she loves me to the 'moon and back' and variations of very over the top love messages which feel very insincere and sickly.

I don't FEEL remotely loved by her.

The messages and words feel completely empty to me. I don't know why she sends them, and I have no idea how to respond to her. I asked her to please stop because they were upsetting me, but she carries on anyway. The same message on repeat every single day of undying love, but she never calls or asks how we are in the messages. I am expected to do all of the calling and all of the visiting still regardless of my health. These 'issues' seem irrelevant to her. She sometimes talks about the weather but nothing else, ever. It feels really pointless. I have tried to engage with her properly and she then retreats into silent treatment and this can last for months at a time.

I am so confused.

What is happening here? Why is she sending these messages to me?

It feels like she has cut me off to all intents and purposes, and her daily text hurts me because it seems like she is saying she loves me, but it doesn't feel like she loves or cares about me at all.

I have no idea what I should do about this now.

What am I missing about this situation?

OP posts:
Hummingbird75 · 18/07/2024 10:25

greenpolarbear · 18/07/2024 10:23

You have to block her on WhatsApp, you can't do this every day. You're being triggered every 24 hours as a form of control by your abusers.

You would have blocked ages ago if it was a friend or colleague or a random guy you'd met or an online date. Just because they're blood relatives doesn't mean they have a free pass to continue to abuse you.

Explain first that her daily message is upsetting for you, and that you can contact each other, just not via WhatsApp.

You need to end the daily torture for yourself.

Actually you are completely right, I am being triggered every day.

My heart sinks every day I see her name flash up.

Every day it reminds me of what I don't have.

I can not imagine putting my children or anyone at all in the whole world through this on a daily basis.

OP posts:
Blink282 · 18/07/2024 10:24

She is doing it to make herself feel better- even at your expense. I am so sorry that both parents have let you down so badly. I think you sound incredibly strong, reflective and whole.

I think if it is on WhatsApp, I would archive and mute her and then gradually reduce how often you check what she’s sent you. Start every other day, then every 3 etc, until you are checking maybe once a week. At least that puts some boundaries around how often it can hurt you..

If something happens to her, someone will contact you.

greenpolarbear · 18/07/2024 10:23

You have to block her on WhatsApp, you can't do this every day. You're being triggered every 24 hours as a form of control by your abusers.

You would have blocked ages ago if it was a friend or colleague or a random guy you'd met or an online date. Just because they're blood relatives doesn't mean they have a free pass to continue to abuse you.

Explain first that her daily message is upsetting for you, and that you can contact each other, just not via WhatsApp.

You need to end the daily torture for yourself.

Sometimesright · 18/07/2024 10:23

Also when your dad dies she will be after someone to take care of her! But she didn’t take cake of you did she? Seriously get away now while you can op .

Sometimesright · 18/07/2024 10:21

Block her! She is as bad as your father she knowingly let you go through all your childhood being treated badly. Sorry but that’s not love!
break the cycle!

Hummingbird75 · 18/07/2024 10:20

velvetcoat · 18/07/2024 10:14

I had it before, after posting on here actually, and my psyhcotherapist seemed to think my father was a psychopath (and would never be diagnosed because he would never think to see someone in the first place) and my mother was a covert narcissist that has used the situation to her advantage. The 'Poor Me' victim narrative that generates lots of attention for her. That was years ago. Back then, we decided to keep contact with my mother and put my father out of reach

This really does explain everything about the dynamic you describe. I think this is spot on.

What my therapist was unable to do was offer a solution. She said it is an impossible situation as a child, because we effectively become the parent (so in fact I have become the protective parent of my mother) as she was the poor victim in our family. Leaving a child (my mother) in a known abusive situation is extremely hard to do.

This makes sense because when my mother had her first nervous breakdown, I had to take care of the house and my brother and her.

I am finding it hard to walk away because I am the parent, not the child, in this relationship.

I haven't had parents so to speak, I have always been the one to care, look after and support her/them all of my life.

I have posted to ask if anyone else can help me figure out what to do, if they have been in similar positions and what worked. How can I manage this...because actually having read all of your posts, I do think she is discreetly continuing to abuse me under the guise of 'love'.

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GingerPirate · 18/07/2024 10:19

I'm sorry, OP.
I grew up in a Communist country and both my parents were emotionally abusive.
For you, the best thing would be to go completely no contact.
May I ask, are your parents members of so called "Silent Generation"?
Not imposing anything, however, in my country these people were the utmost bastards (and still are, the surviving ones).

Much for "Silent". 😂

biscuitsnow · 18/07/2024 10:18

HG Tudor on YouTube describes psychopaths and narcs very well, it might be helpful for you to watch some of his videos.

Trickabrick · 18/07/2024 10:17

OP if your mother was treating your children how she treats you, what would you do? I’m guessing you’d stop all contact to protect them. Please value yourself as much as you value them!

lilactubular · 18/07/2024 10:16

I think your mother is a deeply and irretrievably damaged woman. She will never change and it will continue to cause pain to you if you hope she will.

It is up to you to decide if what she can offer in terms of a ' relationship', which is what you have now, is enough or whether it would be less painful for you to end contact.

Its a really shit situation OP, and I feel for you.

Makepeacetoo · 18/07/2024 10:16

I really feel for you OP. I have a somewhat similar situation with my own mother. She has also turned a blind eye to my father’s abuse and expects me and my siblings to pretend it never happened. I’m sorry to say that as a result none of us have any contact with her. I feel extremely bad about it but it helps me to remember that it’s her choice, not mine, in effect, and it’s also very clear to me when I consider my children who I’m never going to expose to an abuser.

This might sound a bit random but when I read the book “Educated” by Tara Westover it helped me understand my own family dynamic. Her situation was very different from mine in many ways but the thing that struck a chord was this overarching need to remain loyal to one’s family and never to admit to the outside world that there’s anything wrong. Unpicking that is a life’s work. Possibly tangential to your situation but the reason for mentioning it is that you have to be gentle with yourself and remember that you are having to reprogramme yourself after a lifetime of being made to see things a certain way.

Good luck OP. You’re not alone.

velvetcoat · 18/07/2024 10:14

I had it before, after posting on here actually, and my psyhcotherapist seemed to think my father was a psychopath (and would never be diagnosed because he would never think to see someone in the first place) and my mother was a covert narcissist that has used the situation to her advantage. The 'Poor Me' victim narrative that generates lots of attention for her. That was years ago. Back then, we decided to keep contact with my mother and put my father out of reach

This really does explain everything about the dynamic you describe. I think this is spot on.

gardenmusic · 18/07/2024 10:14

The truth is I have given up on myself in some ways. It is too late for me now. I am way too broken to be save. I recognise I am still in the cycle of abuse myself, because I am completely unable to protect myself and walk away from my mother. I have no ability to walk away or to leave her, I don't know how to. So in some ways I am still stuck and she knows this. I can't leave her for fear 'something will happen to her'

You may feel broken, but look how strong you have been.You refused to allow your child to be damaged by their grandparents.

You don't have to leave your Mother, but communicate by text. Change the conversation if it turns to your Father. Simply do not engage with anything to do with him.
Short sweet texts. Surface chat like she's a neighbour you rarely see. You will know soon enough if ' anything happens' to her. One a day and that's it, and nothing deep and meaningful.
Of course you want your Mum to love and care for you, that's natural, but she needs to be kept in a 'box'.

Hummingbird75 · 18/07/2024 10:12

Yes I would consider therapy again.

I had it before, after posting on here actually, and my psychotherapist seemed to think my father was a psychopath (and would never be diagnosed because he would never think to see someone in the first place) and my mother was a covert narcissist that has used the situation to her advantage. The 'Poor Me' victim narrative that generates lots of attention for her. That was years ago. Back then, we decided to keep contact with my mother and put my father out of reach.

The issue is now it feels abusive as well.
My relationship with my mother is now really struggling.

I have kind of given up on the fact I will ever have any kind of family or protection. I have however made my peace with the abuse, the scarring and the past. So that is progress, but I don't know how to manage any kind of relationship with my mother now.

I think I am beginning to realise that my mother has been complicit and more than that, part of the problem so low contact may not work.

I fear every day something will happen to her, and I will never see her again, and that is probably something I need to talk about. It keeps me locked in this cycle. Thank you for all of your posts and support, some have made me cry.

I am sorry for those that are also going through this. It is so hard at times.

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velvetcoat · 18/07/2024 10:10

it is too late for me now. I am way too broken to be save. I recognise I am still in the cycle of abuse myself, because I am completely unable to protect myself and walk away from my mother. I have no ability to walk away or to leave her, I don't know how to. So in some ways I am still stuck and she knows this. I can't leave her for fear 'something will happen to her'

OP- it is not too late and you are not broken.

I urge you to seek help with these feelings via therapy or counselling. It takes time to unpick and unravel this kind of stuff and I think it would benefit you greatly.

You arent broken because 1. you realise what is going on and self awareness is half the battle. 2. You have protected your children, so you arent continuing the abuse cycle.

Thoughts arent facts. They are merely the musings of our brains as a result of prior repetitive patterns and habits and they can be changed. You dont have to take on board or to heart every thought that enters your head about your mother. I am not saying it is easy, but it is doable.

SafariShoes · 18/07/2024 10:09

By breaking free of the cycle and putting your children first you are making a judgement on her parenting. By refusing to follow her lead and centre your abusive father you’re making it clear she was a bad mother.

If she can convince you to continue to see him she can pretend she was a great mother and the abuse wasn’t so bad.

diddl · 18/07/2024 10:08

After years of conditioning that she is the poor victim in this, and I must do everything in my power to make her happy. I am finding it intensely difficult to break free from her.

That you realise though is surely a big step and that you have moved your children away & protect them is huge.

You deserve that same protection from both of your parents.

If something does happen to her it will happen whether or not you are in contact.

She will never be the mother you want & deserve & perhaps that is what you are holding on for?

Andwegoroundagain · 18/07/2024 10:07

Have you had therapy OP because this all sounds very tough to deal with.
Ultimately I think she's saying these things to make her feel better, not to make you feel better. She can say she tried with you and told you she loved you. So her part was done.
But love isn't just words. Actions are also love. And she has not shown love with her actions. Even if she decided the life with your father was the life she wanted she still could have acknowledged how that made you feel and the impact on you. And your illness too.

Anyway my ultimate recommendation is get professional help. It's a horrible situation for you

Puzzledandpissedoff · 18/07/2024 10:01

The truth is I have given up on myself in some ways. It is too late for me now. I am way too broken to be save. I recognise I am still in the cycle of abuse myself, because I am completely unable to protect myself and walk away from my mother. I have no ability to walk away or to leave her, I don't know how to. So in some ways I am still stuck and she knows this. I can't leave her for fear 'something will happen to her'

I expect this is why several PPs have suggested therapy, OP, and having also once felt that I was "too broken to save" I do agree

The whole thing's a horrible mess when you're stuck in it, but there really can be value in a neutral professional supporting you to unpick and clarify issues if it's something you'd be prepared to consider?

AnonymousBleep · 18/07/2024 10:01

Hummingbird75 · 18/07/2024 09:55

Some of you are saying why I am allowing her to treat me like this, and why can I not simply walk away from her?

I am up to my neck in FOG that is why. After years of conditioning that she is the poor victim in this, and I must do everything in my power to make her happy. I am finding it intensely difficult to break free from her.

I believe she knows this.

Hence the breadcrumbs of empty words she offers me.

My job in life is to try and make things better for her, that is all it has ever been. A role of playing to her tune, listening to her for years about her feelings, supporting her, cheering her up. Making life better for her because my father is such a brute. I was put on the earth, quite literally, to serve her.

It feels quite unthinkable to do anything else.

The best I have been able to do is protect my children and go low contact. I moved 300 miles away to put some distance between us, otherwise she would have got into my kids's heads and manipulated them as well. She did try, when she stopped talking to me for around a year - she would speak to my children and tell them how sad I had made her, despite the fact she had stopped talking to me for going low contact with my father. She gave me the silent treatment for just over one year, and it didn't bother her at all. I cried every day for that year, and felt bereft.

The truth is I have given up on myself in some ways. It is too late for me now. I am way too broken to be save. I recognise I am still in the cycle of abuse myself, because I am completely unable to protect myself and walk away from my mother. I have no ability to walk away or to leave her, I don't know how to. So in some ways I am still stuck and she knows this. I can't leave her for fear 'something will happen to her'

So I remain where I am. A rudderless, helpless feeling where she pulls the strings as and when she pleases.

Edited

You are not broken. You're a kind person, who loves their mum, trying to do the right thing. That isn't broken. It's not your fault that she's not the mum you need or deserve. She's clearly a narcissist. They always weaponise victimhood to manipulate the people around them. They enjoy being victims. I fully understand why you can't walk away, but you should definitely talk to a counsellor about this, and they can help you set some emotional boundaries which will make this easier for you to deal with.

I have a similar dynamic with my own mum. It's really hard to accept that, for whatever reason, they just don't love you in the way 'normal' mums do. I would die for my own kids, and I've always considered that 'normal', whereas mine would chuck me under a bus for the lifestyle she wants, which needs funding by a wealthy man. If that man is a twat who hates her kids, then so be it.

This thread isn't about me, but I've found it really helpful to read. It has clarified a few things to me, too. We end up stuck feeling like helpless children in these situations, but we're not. You are a strong, independent, intelligent woman, and a loving mum to your own kids. Hold onto that.

Namerchangee · 18/07/2024 10:00

JMSA · 18/07/2024 08:20

I am so angry for you, OP. You sound like the most wonderful person. Your father is a cunt and your mother is a useless bitch who has failed to protect you.
I'd block her for sure. Who the fuck does she think she is, messaging you these stupid messages when you've asked her not to. You need to get some fire in your belly (said very kindly and gently).
I'd message one final time with 'Actions speak louder than words' and then go non-contact.
Very best wishes to you, OP Flowers

This. Block them and continue to move on with your life with your children. Well done for protecting them - I’m just so sorry that your parents didn’t do right by you.

oatmilk4breakfast · 18/07/2024 09:59

So sorry you're going through this.

Sceptical123 · 18/07/2024 09:58

buttonsB4 · 18/07/2024 08:18

He was the abuser and she was/is his enabler, he wouldn't have been able to abuse you the way he did without her help.

I'd have the stock response of "your words don't match your actions" to every declaration of love she sends on WA.

It really is the actions you need to make note of, not what she's saying/writing, because that is her true intention.

Well done for continuing to keep yourself and your children safe from the pair of them.

I was thinking exactly this

ilovesushi · 18/07/2024 09:57

You are doing the exact right thing in staying away to protect your DC and yourself. Who knows what to make of your mother's texts - guilty conscience, desperately trying to hold on to the dysfunctional family structure she knows, real feelings for you, cry for help, comforting ritual in her dysfunctional life. Whatever the reasons, these texts are doing you no good and she is not listening and not respecting that which means they are about her and not you.

I would be tempted to send her a message saying her texts feel like empty gestures and they are upsetting to you and you will be blocking her number if they do not stop. Then go ahead and block.

Not sure if you are getting therapy, but it sounds like there is so much for you to process. Good luck in breaking ties with your toxic past and focussing on your lovely family.

bonzaitree · 18/07/2024 09:56

I’d go no contact with the lot of them and focus on your healing and your family. (MUCH easier said than done I know!)

You sound like the only one with an ounce of sense and decency. Well done for breaking the cycle.