Joe Biden ist just like many octogenariens.....

My Dad's still driving at 82 I wouldn't say well though ,but he only drives too and from tesco he couldn't manage long journeys
But driving is very different from being in charge of one of the worlds super powers

Yes I was right someone one has to be at least 35 to run for POTUS so quite a few years after becoming a legal Adult.

So much ageist crap on here. I know plenty of people in their 80s who are still driving well and happily, in fact I have a friend who is 92 and still driving well.

I don't feel strongly about Biden one way or another, as the USA is clearly in a terrible place and is just going to keep deteriorating with either Biden or Trump. Let them get on with it.

I think it's 35 ?

Maybe not but society recognise, s that as people get older their cognitive ability declines as can their physical ability, hence retirement

I'm assuming most people wouldn't want an 82 year old surgeon preforming major heart surgery on them
Also the older someone gets the more likely to develop health issues
It does seem ridiculous that the two candidates for POTUS ,which is a job which really does require you to be on the ball ,are an 81 year old and a 78 year old.

I don't know what the lower age limit is, but I assume like voting it's when you are legally an adult do yes IMO it's okay.
No one wants a minor as president.

I can't speak for anyone else but when I vote for someone I base that vote on what they say they'll do and how likely I judge it to happen. If a candidate appears unwell I would assume what they're promising isn't likely to happen.
I have never ever based my vote on what a candidate might be like in 3 years time.

I don't disagree that it would be a big deal, @TheQueenWhoNeverWas, but it looks rather smaller compared to handing the election to Trump on a plate

There comes a point where the country's interests need to be set above those a a party, and for many of us that point has come ... and gone

Certainly some Democrats will never forgive the leadership for this, and that's entirely the party's own fault

It's hard to blame the Democrats for picking him. If you have a sitting president who wants to stand for a second term then it would be a massive deal to stand against him in the primaries or to vote against him.

Trump and Biden as candidates are truly awful for different reasons. Maybe the democrats planned this though- put up an old man who won't win as they know trump js going to win anyway.

I'm so angry with Biden too. And if he still keeps doing that little mini jog every time he walks somewhere, i will throw something at the telly.

It’s off topic for this thread perhaps, but J. D. Vance seems more impressive than anyone the UK right has produced.

I’d have loved the chance to vote for a young and dynamic, protectionist, anti free trade, anti immigration and anti woke candidate if there’d been one in the UK. But I couldn’t vote for Farage or Sunak because they’re still cut from the failed globalist free trade cloth.

I agree, he really is much the same as the guy I was driving behind yesterday - hat on, steady 25 mph everywhere whether 40, 30 or 20 limit apart from when going round corners when we slowed to a mind bending 5 mph. Difference is this bozo is in charge of the USA rather than just an i10.

This isn't just any job though - its one of the most responsible and difficult jobs in the world.

But a lower age limit is ok ?

More "dinosaurs" like this need to "go".
Sorry.
Some people at productive age actually want to start to live their own lives.

Agree. Very bizarre situation.

Whatever ppl think of Uk politics the US mentality and present situation is way worse.

From mid 70s really.

I agree with you.

Trump is an old man. He is ridiculous, he just looks "young" in comparison with Biden.

After 70, hell, after mid 50s (2 of my firends just died suddenly in their early 50s) who knows what can happen?

This situation should never gave been allowed to happen, it's handing Trump a victory. The Democrats should have been planning a succesor years ago ...

Absolutely, but the party didn't and since they're wholly responsible for that, they and everyone else will now probably pay the price

I'm reminded of visiting a county fair electioneering booth when Biden's decline first became obvious and being told "Oh we'll certainly have someone else by the 2024 election"
You have to wonder what happened ...

Totally agree.

I despise Trump, I think he's an awful, incompetent human being and a terrible terrible choice for any kind of leadership position, let alone a world leader.

But could I really blame anyone for voting for him this time round with Biden as the alternative? I'm not sure I could. They are both appalling candidates in very different ways.

I just can't understand what the democrats were thinking.

I wondered the same, but with Trump ahead in tthe polling in most key states I worry it's just too late for the Democrats to come back now

Obviously Biden's not to blame for being old and sick, but for me the party's judgement in hanging onto him for so long would be reason enough not to vote for them - a view shared by many American friends

In three years time things could be very different ,,
Just going off my own parents things can decline very quickly when people get into their 80,s .

thats simply many people don’t agree with his thought process or politics, he isn’t losing cognitive ability and very frail mentally and physically. They are two very different animals health wise. Surprised you can’t see that.

I think those close to Biden are telling him he can and should stay in power ie his wife and son. I don’t believe they are arguing otherwise, which is bolstering his delusion, and of course he is closely surrounded by yes people who will be telling him the same

its sad, trump is only 4 years younger and clearly as sharp as a pin , irrelevant of how much of an arse he is

thing is it is clear he is going to lose, he will not win another term, trump will get in, so what’s the bloody point in hanging on, it’s so selfish against his party who have no chance.

its just unfortunate that politics in the us means they have no mechanism to remove a sitting president if he refuses to go. He wants to stay and those c,lose to him urging him to stay it’s all over for the democrats.

Biden is being so stubborn, he (and other democrats) need to look at the bigger picture - is it more important he stands for president or Trump isn't president. This situation should never gave been allowed to happen, it's handing Trump a victory. The Democrats should have been planning a succesor years ago, but they now urgently need to make Biden step down. It's crazy that there's no way of making this happen. And even crazier that in the whole of the US with all the millions of people that the choice is Trump or Biden!