Joe Biden ist just like many octogenariens.....

And before anyone criticises me for watching Fox News on holiday...I'd heard how bad it was and wanted to see for myself. Tucker Carlson didn't disappoint 😂

To be fair these rumours have been doing the rounds for years. I don't particularly follow US politics and even I'm aware of them. Hence Fox News 'sleepy, creepy Joe Biden' moniker heard my me on a trip to the US in 2019.

I’m surprised this extremely creepy behaviour by Biden hasn’t received more coverage. Is it just because the major papers and news organisations in America are all heavily Democrat leaning?

More likely, perhaps, that many are so terrified of Trump becoming President that they'd rather not mention it?

There was a time when anyone who did drew the ire of his supporters, who'd instantly insist "Ah, so you want the orange megalomaniac", except his supporters seem to have gone a lot quieter - probably because there's now so little to say

I guess it wouldn't be as bad if they had systems in place where he could be removed

They do; it's called the 25th Amendment, Section 4: https://constitutioncenter.org/the-constitution/amendments/amendment-xxv

More background here: https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/how-the-constitutions-25th-amendment-works

Ah, actually it turns out Biden is a creepy predator with women of all ages, eg:

www.thecut.com/2019/03/an-awkward-kiss-changed-how-i-saw-joe-biden.html

I saw a really shocking video on Twitter today of Biden sniffing / touching extremely uncomfortable children (girls) at public events. It gave off definite Jimmy Saville vibes.

I’m surprised this extremely creepy behaviour by Biden hasn’t received more coverage. Is it just because the major papers and news organisations in America are all heavily Democrat leaning?

OH the irony, you can't drive a care. Run a country? Crack on friend.

I help an older family member. There are doctors notes, potential competence tests and massively increased insurance as you get past about 75 for older drivers

I guess it wouldn't be as bad if they had systems in place where he could be removed
I'm not saying the UK political system is perfect in anyway but prime ministers can be removed from power by their own party and have beenbin recent years
I know it was for very different reasons but I'm sure if any PM stated showing signs of cognitive decline and there were great concerns about their ability there would be a leadership battle.

I think lower age for US Pres is 35.

There's three questions

Can an eighty-one year old be competent to be president? Yes, I'm sure there are people that age out there who'd still be up to the job.

Is this particular eighty-one year competent to be president? Judging from his debate performance, no, probably not any more.

Is it acceptable to risk putting even a completely competent eighty-one year old in the job for four years given the risk of age-related mental deterioration during that period? Opinions vary.

l imagine that being president of the US is a pretty full-on job. Requiring plenty of 10 hour plus working days dealing with highly complex issues

Fortunately there'll always be plenty of staff to deal with the complex issues, but you're right about the potential very long days

What beats me is how the hell Biden's going to get through the rest of the campaign, but I suppose they can blame everything on his Covid at least for a while

Mick Jagger is the same age as Biden... If only Biden were half as fit.

I'm British not American, though I have family and friends there.

It's their battle not mine. They're somewhat dismayed that it's a battle between two old men.

So an upper age limit isn't such a bad idea

Exactly! After our election last week there were interviews with the newest youngest mp where the interviewers were blatantly asking him if he had enough life experience to be an MP - ageism is supposed to be more against the elderly but nobody was asking the opposite question of the oldest MP!

It's okay to suggest various restrictions on younger drivers and penalise them financially but not older ones who are also an increased risk....

It’s all so bizarre. I imagine that being president of the US is a pretty full-on job. Requiring plenty of 10 hour plus working days dealing with highly complex issues.

The US will have a president in their 80’s whoever wins. I don’t care how fit and healthy someone is in their 80’s, no 80 year old can work as hard or effectively as someone half their age. I feel very sorry for the US citizens being given these 2 options.

And all the while, Trump’s unhinged ramblings are not receiving the scrutiny that they should. Neither candidate is fit for the post.

um, yes we do. Often for insurance purposes. Most large partnerships (law firms, accountancy firms) have enforced retirement ages for partners.

I didn't know that, thank you. I guess the fore fathers thought anyone younger wouldn't have enough life experience but IMO 35 is to old as a lower age limit.

I don't know about the ageism but it is definitely a silly comparison.

The skills you need to drive a car are quite a bit different to the skills you need to be present of the US.

If being a great driver made you a great politician we should probably have Damon Hill or Lewis Hamilton in at No. 10.

As for 80 year olds as presidents, I'm met a few 80 years old in the very technical areas I work in and they are definitely not as mobile as they once were but are razor sharp. I'm also met some that are losing it. It depends on the person.

The Times had an interesting article explaining how the process for choosing a candidate has changed. I wasn't really aware of this.

Years ago it was less democratic but perhaps ironically might have prevented the situations with both Trump and Biden if things were still run this way.

https://www.thetimes.com/article/4713ab63-d9e2-4fc7-8561-699a6d9ffc52?shareToken=44b0534e3acd8d2b4ae134686db7dcc9

Really? The OP who tried to compare Biden's desperate grasp for the presidency with older people driving. That's ageist. You don't have to have a pop at people in their 80s generally to discuss whether Biden is deluded or not.

I hate when people call sensible discussion on someone older "ageist". What exactly is ageist then?
Im nearly 60 and im certainly not the same as someone in their 20s or 30s. And i realise this, because ive been 20 and 30!! Joe biden is obviously not competent for the presidency due to his age. In his 50s or 60s he may have been brilliant but we dont know that.
I never know whether someone crying "ageist" on here is A. Old and trying to deny it or B. Young and trying to be woke.

So criticise the OP then, as that was the comparison they made

@Collexifon

"So much ageist crap on here. I know plenty of people in their 80s who are still driving well and happily, in fact I have a friend who is 92 and still driving well."

Hmmm bit of a difference between driving a car and being the President of the world's biggest economy and biggest nuclear armed super power.