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To be annoyed that I get glared at for having a blue badge

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Sparklebelle1024 · 17/07/2024 19:34

I try not to let it bother me but I’m young ( 35) and I have a blue badge because I have a few health problems which put me into the category of disabled and entitle me to pip and a blue badge. I do work (only part time as that’s a struggle but I do it for my own mental health but I think even that might have to go soon but I’m trying to last as long as I can) and almost every time I pull my car into the disabled spaces I get dirty looks and “badge checked” by the older generation and it’s ALWAYS older people !! It’s like younger folk can’t have disabilities!! Yet I can literally go from being okayish one day to hospitalised the next (I have a very understanding manager) and my car is a lifeline. I do try to brush it off but today I had a run in with an older man and he asked to see the photo on my badge to prove it was mine, I obviously told him he’s not entitled to that information and it’s not an elderly badge it’s a disabled badge and I cried when I was driving home.
it’s not fair…. I’m sick of being judged because I’m not “old” and don’t “look disabled” whatever that should look like. I know it shouldn’t bother me but it really genuinely does. So AIBU to be annoyed at being judged by the older generation because I use a badge I’m legally entitled to??

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SayTheWeirdThing · 18/07/2024 13:18

In your position, honestly I'd show them the photo to prove it was mine and make them feel terrible. Any other reaction - however correct - won't educate them through embarrassment. I'd proudly show my photo and declare 'not all disabilities are visible. Do better.' Or something equally smug.

But it must feel horrible, and I'm so sorry.

Lovepeaceunderstanding · 18/07/2024 13:15

@ibelieveshereallyistgedevil , of course but the OP was saying that it was always older people who had spoken to her. Just putting forward why that might be.

TimeandMotion · 18/07/2024 13:11

WasThatACorner · 18/07/2024 13:10

No, it is not "perfectly fine".

It's no more perfectly fine than checking that your brother REALLY needs that wheelchair.

Would you be fine with strangers coming over and suggesting ways to check if he actually can walk before letting him park?

People are awarded BB because they meet the criteria for them, which they have had to prove.

It is never "perfectly fine" to question why someone has a BB.

I said it was perfectly fine to question WHETHER someone has a BB.

Not why.

WasThatACorner · 18/07/2024 13:10

TimeandMotion · 18/07/2024 10:29

You’re not understanding.

The problem is people using relatives’ or stolen blue badges or using spaces without having any badge at all.

A disabled person pulling up in their car behind a car parked in a disabled space can’t see the badge displayed at the front.

If the occupant of the car gets out and is not visibly disabled, this means that they are more likely to not be entitled to use the space. It is obviously not conclusive proof.

Yes, many blue badge holders are not visibly disabled. However the vast majority of people who do not appear disabled are indeed not disabled. So it is perfectly fine to ask someone who does not appear disabled whether they have a blue badge, as long as it is done politely.

Believe me, the amount of “sorry mate I was just nipping in quickly, just let me move” responses he gets make it worthwhile.

Obviously the blue badge thieves/misusers will just say yes, and I am not suggesting that the questioner then check the badge in the manner of a traffic warden. But it might make them think twice about doing it again when they are challenged directly by someone who has a right to the space.

No, it is not "perfectly fine".

It's no more perfectly fine than checking that your brother REALLY needs that wheelchair.

Would you be fine with strangers coming over and suggesting ways to check if he actually can walk before letting him park?

People are awarded BB because they meet the criteria for them, which they have had to prove.

It is never "perfectly fine" to question why someone has a BB.

hookiewookie29 · 18/07/2024 13:05

Hubby's response when questioned about his badge..
" You don't look disabled "
"Well you don't look fucking ignorant but you obviously are"
I've even had people accost me when I've been driving and he's in the passenger seat. I've put the badge in the window, got out the car and had some nosey parker say "Well you're not disabled!" I said "no, thank god. But he is!"and pointed at my husband, struggling to walk on that particular day.

LadyKenya · 18/07/2024 12:46

Lovepeaceunderstanding · 18/07/2024 12:14

@Sparklebelle1024 , maybe think about it from a different perspective. I looked after my dad in the three years before he died, he lived with me and he couldn’t get out on his own. It’s odd the things you miss when you can’t do them anymore and he liked to go to the supermarket. It was very difficult for me though because I needed the extra space to bring his wheelchair alongside his seat and haul him out. It was really rare for there to be any disabled spaces free, I’d often be forced to park in a mother and child space but even they were scarce. I didn’t take him out so much in the end because I’d be hanging around waiting for a suitable spot to become available and nearly always a perfectly able bodied person would eventually turn up and get in the car they’d parked in the disabled space they didn’t need.
People aren’t entitled to be rude but they are I feel entitled to ask because disabled parking spaces are so often abused.
I thought your question was rather ageist by the way. Elderly people and middle aged people (carers) are the ones most likely to have come across abuse of disabled parking spaces.

Was a BB displayed in the cars of these so-called able bodied people?

MitskiMoo · 18/07/2024 12:42

HRTFT...I used to be polite. Now I tell them to fuck off and report me. In my experience it has been, without fail older people. Friends and family have been shocked when they've seen it.
I've had BBs since 2016. I get them automatically (without assessment by the council) because I scored more than 12 points in the moving around section in the mobility section of PIP. I have a J-tube connected to a feed 20 hours a day and a life limiting condition.
The stupid thing is that although the photo is on the back, the month and year of the recipient is in the code on the front. That gives a clue if it's the badge of a younger person.

TomeTome · 18/07/2024 12:42

If she wasn’t a traffic warden she definitely couldn’t take the badge! They’re very valuable. What a horrid thing to happen

LadyKenya · 18/07/2024 12:42

TellMeWhoTheVillainsAre · 18/07/2024 12:10

Ok, so interfere.... But only in certain situations?

If I'm walking past a space I might give a quick glance at the window. If I see a BB that's it. I move on. If I don't I might give a brave "scowl" to the driver! I might even mention it if I see a traffic warden (actually now that I think about it once I did report someone who parked and ran from the car - he was of the just nipping in for a minute gang - but he was back at the car before the warden even got to it) but I will not hang around, waiting to see someone getting out of the car and then checking if they've displayed a badge or not and then go report them. It easier to just look as you're passing. Rather than hang around for a sting operation!

As I said, best to get onto the disability rights groups and ask them to make this request publicly known.

My opinion... There's going to be an awful lot less availability of BB spaces if they are not self-policed by the public. But at least everyone will be happy 😉

Edited

Who are you to "scowl" at the driver. Just mind your own business. I have pulled into a BB spot before, and needed just a minute to catch my breath, before (stone me) I have reached to put my BB on my dashboard. Seeing someone scowl at me, would be the last thing I need.

HeySummerWhereAreYou · 18/07/2024 12:39

Londontown12 · 18/07/2024 09:24

It’s harassment full stop !
And it’s judgemental!
lots of people do it !
I have a blue badge I look glamorous and I had a traffic warden hover over me whilst parking and his co worker ready to pounce !! When I’d parked I displayed my blue badge !
They then both left but whilst checking me out a guy parked on double yellow lines !!!
It’s very rude ! To be judged on what u look like or your age !

This reminds me of one time, a lady I used to live near had a blue badge (she was about 45 and looked a bit younger,) and she pulled up in the car park of a supermarket. It had a strict 2 hour limit of parking, in case people used it while they went off out for the day on the train (and hogged the space for the day,) or just spent the day in the town and didn't want to pay the £3 charge in the main car parks.

She pulled up into a disabled bay, switched off the engine, and put the blue badge in the front window on the passenger side. The parking warden who worked on behalf of the supermarket, opened her passenger door and took the blue badge out. Looked at it, looked at her, scowled a bit and said 'this doesn't look like you.' She said 'well it is! And what the hell are you doing, opening my door and taking my blue badge out? Why are you even opening my door at all?!'

Parking warden took the badge off her! She went back into the supermarket, in tears, and told a member of staff what had happened, and they came out and demanded that the parking warden give her her blue badge back! Staff member said 'it's clearly this lady on the photo, and you can't just open peoples doors and take stuff out!'

Never saw that parking warden again. (Wasn't even a proper official traffic warden, just a woman working on behalf the of the supermarket to keep an eye on the car park!). Awful behaviour. Hope she lost her job!

HeySummerWhereAreYou · 18/07/2024 12:38

CassandraWebb · 18/07/2024 12:03

The badge is there for wardens and police to check, not for any old busy body to demand a peek

This in spades!

TomeTome · 18/07/2024 12:36

Most people are saying if they park in a bb space demanding information from them is harassment and they should be allowed to go about their lives in peace. You (and your brother) have decided that it’s ok to make their lives a little less private because some other people break the law by parking in reserved parking.

FWIW your brother challenging me like this would be fine now but a year ago might have meant me never being able to use that parking space again, because that’s OUR level of need. From his point of view I would not have reacted but simply moved my car because that would be the best chance I had of not getting to the point of him sounding annoyed and limiting our world still further. Of course there are not that many drivers with your DB level of need nor that many with our difficulties but obviously we are both who BBs were designed to help.

LadyKenya · 18/07/2024 12:36

parkrun500club · 18/07/2024 12:09

Even if it's a traffic warden it's none of their business. They don't give blue badges away, so if you have one, you are entitled to it. If you have one, you are entitled to park in blue badge spaces as long as you comply with the rules and display your badge. That is all anyone needs to know, including traffic wardens.

The difference is , that a traffic warden is perfectly able to ask to see the underside of a BB, during a check. Joe public is not.

ibelieveshereallyistgedevil · 18/07/2024 12:35

samedifferent · 18/07/2024 12:28

Ok, so interfere.... But only in certain situations?

I would favor not interfering at all but as this seems to be an extremely challenging idea for some posters I thought getting involved after the occupants had left was the best compromise.

Yes, it’s funny how people MUST get involved when there is a chance of either bullying a disabled person or giving themselves a pat on the back for their virtue…

I wonder if they carry a small pencil to make a note of the number plate if they see a car turn without indicating? or chase down and demand the name and address of cyclists on the pavement? Or require the local bikers charter to show their driving licence when they pull up at the lights?

After all, that behaviour also affects everyone…

clarepetal · 18/07/2024 12:34

"I have an unseen disability and my parking here is none of your business."

That is all you need to say. I'm sorry there are so many ignorant people in the world.

LadyKenya · 18/07/2024 12:32

I think this is exactly what most people on this thread are asking for. That others cease and desist vigilante behaviors. If you really want to act as parking attendant wait until the occupants have left the car, check if there is a badge and report to relevant authorities if there isn't.

This. Simply this.

HeySummerWhereAreYou · 18/07/2024 12:32

TomeTome · 18/07/2024 10:40

It would be nice if you could let disabled blue badge holders go about their days using the facilities provided without harassing them. What you are doing is similar to demanding to know if child who isn’t white is British in school incase they aren’t entitled to be there.

This. ^ @TimeandMotion's posts are dreadful! 😖

WalkingonWheels · 18/07/2024 12:28

Ansion · 18/07/2024 12:24

I am one of the fortunate ones who has to date not had a brush with disability in my nearest and dearest. But I am going to take a wild guess that it’s not largely a whole lot of fun.

Disability parking places should be there to make people feel more relaxed. To take one extra worry out of the challenging day. They should know that they will be able to park in peace at the other end. I cannot imagine what it must be like to have to worry about people being aggressive and antagonistic when they exit the car. For people who are slightly anxious in personality, the fear of challenge must be horrendous. Some of the comments here have made me really angry.

Yep. I'm not just slightly anxious. I have full on, severe, diagnosed and highly medicated PTSD. Someone staring/tutting/shouting at me can result in a massive panic attack which I've been hospitalised for in the past, and the affect that has on my other chronic disabilities is absolutely awful.

It's appalling that people think it's OK to police us.

samedifferent · 18/07/2024 12:28

Ok, so interfere.... But only in certain situations?

I would favor not interfering at all but as this seems to be an extremely challenging idea for some posters I thought getting involved after the occupants had left was the best compromise.

ibelieveshereallyistgedevil · 18/07/2024 12:26

parkrun500club · 18/07/2024 12:09

Even if it's a traffic warden it's none of their business. They don't give blue badges away, so if you have one, you are entitled to it. If you have one, you are entitled to park in blue badge spaces as long as you comply with the rules and display your badge. That is all anyone needs to know, including traffic wardens.

I think the poster meant they would tell a warden that they have a bb if the warden hadn’t seen it-

for instance sometimes I park, get my gubbins sorted, get child sorted and then put my Bb on display- if a warden came over in the 2 minutes after I stopped but before I displayed the badge I would tell him I have one because I don’t want a ticket-

if a random guy did it I’d ignore him/tell him to go away/ask to see his driving licence or say no I don’t have a badge (ask stupid questions you get stupid answers)- depending on my mood.

WalkingonWheels · 18/07/2024 12:25

Lovepeaceunderstanding · 18/07/2024 12:14

@Sparklebelle1024 , maybe think about it from a different perspective. I looked after my dad in the three years before he died, he lived with me and he couldn’t get out on his own. It’s odd the things you miss when you can’t do them anymore and he liked to go to the supermarket. It was very difficult for me though because I needed the extra space to bring his wheelchair alongside his seat and haul him out. It was really rare for there to be any disabled spaces free, I’d often be forced to park in a mother and child space but even they were scarce. I didn’t take him out so much in the end because I’d be hanging around waiting for a suitable spot to become available and nearly always a perfectly able bodied person would eventually turn up and get in the car they’d parked in the disabled space they didn’t need.
People aren’t entitled to be rude but they are I feel entitled to ask because disabled parking spaces are so often abused.
I thought your question was rather ageist by the way. Elderly people and middle aged people (carers) are the ones most likely to have come across abuse of disabled parking spaces.

So? I'm a wheelchair user, and while it's frustrating if there are no disabled spaces available because I literally have to go home, it isn't the fault of the other disabled people already using the spaces. You cannot tell if someone is, "Perfectly able bodied" just by looking at them.

Leave. Us. Alone.

Also, it's not ageist to give our personal experience. In my experience, everyone who has abused, accosted and assaulted me over using BB spaces with a BB has been elderly.

CassandraWebb · 18/07/2024 12:25

Lovepeaceunderstanding · 18/07/2024 12:14

@Sparklebelle1024 , maybe think about it from a different perspective. I looked after my dad in the three years before he died, he lived with me and he couldn’t get out on his own. It’s odd the things you miss when you can’t do them anymore and he liked to go to the supermarket. It was very difficult for me though because I needed the extra space to bring his wheelchair alongside his seat and haul him out. It was really rare for there to be any disabled spaces free, I’d often be forced to park in a mother and child space but even they were scarce. I didn’t take him out so much in the end because I’d be hanging around waiting for a suitable spot to become available and nearly always a perfectly able bodied person would eventually turn up and get in the car they’d parked in the disabled space they didn’t need.
People aren’t entitled to be rude but they are I feel entitled to ask because disabled parking spaces are so often abused.
I thought your question was rather ageist by the way. Elderly people and middle aged people (carers) are the ones most likely to have come across abuse of disabled parking spaces.

How do you know that they were perfectly able bodied? My body stops being able to send signals to my muscles the more I use them, and I get desperately ill very swiftly, but I don't look any different. My gait doesn't change, I don't have stiffness. But if I do too much I end up unable to move my arms or legs or even speak or swallow

NineChickennuggets · 18/07/2024 12:24

"If you are entitled to park there then there's no problem."

When I am getting my severely autistic son out of the car I don't want idiots bothering us. They also might not like the reaction they provoke

Ansion · 18/07/2024 12:24

LadyKenya · 18/07/2024 10:19

It speaks volumes, as far as I am concerned, that the posters encouraging disabled people to be gracious, smiling, and grateful for the BB police crusaders, have no idea of the lingering effects that being challenged repeatedly can do to them. Posters have said how it can affect them so much, that they curtail going out, or may wear clothes that show their disability, so that they can go about unhindered by these people. How depressing. Who do they think they are?, and the posters on here defending these people, is frankly disturbing.

I am one of the fortunate ones who has to date not had a brush with disability in my nearest and dearest. But I am going to take a wild guess that it’s not largely a whole lot of fun.

Disability parking places should be there to make people feel more relaxed. To take one extra worry out of the challenging day. They should know that they will be able to park in peace at the other end. I cannot imagine what it must be like to have to worry about people being aggressive and antagonistic when they exit the car. For people who are slightly anxious in personality, the fear of challenge must be horrendous. Some of the comments here have made me really angry.

ibelieveshereallyistgedevil · 18/07/2024 12:20

Lovepeaceunderstanding · 18/07/2024 12:14

@Sparklebelle1024 , maybe think about it from a different perspective. I looked after my dad in the three years before he died, he lived with me and he couldn’t get out on his own. It’s odd the things you miss when you can’t do them anymore and he liked to go to the supermarket. It was very difficult for me though because I needed the extra space to bring his wheelchair alongside his seat and haul him out. It was really rare for there to be any disabled spaces free, I’d often be forced to park in a mother and child space but even they were scarce. I didn’t take him out so much in the end because I’d be hanging around waiting for a suitable spot to become available and nearly always a perfectly able bodied person would eventually turn up and get in the car they’d parked in the disabled space they didn’t need.
People aren’t entitled to be rude but they are I feel entitled to ask because disabled parking spaces are so often abused.
I thought your question was rather ageist by the way. Elderly people and middle aged people (carers) are the ones most likely to have come across abuse of disabled parking spaces.

Elderly people and middle aged people (carers) are the ones most likely to have come across abuse of disabled parking spaces.

No they aren’t.

Disability can affect anyone of any age, therefore people of any age can have a bb.

Age is no better an indicator of bb status than walking is.