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To be annoyed that I get glared at for having a blue badge

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Sparklebelle1024 · 17/07/2024 19:34

I try not to let it bother me but I’m young ( 35) and I have a blue badge because I have a few health problems which put me into the category of disabled and entitle me to pip and a blue badge. I do work (only part time as that’s a struggle but I do it for my own mental health but I think even that might have to go soon but I’m trying to last as long as I can) and almost every time I pull my car into the disabled spaces I get dirty looks and “badge checked” by the older generation and it’s ALWAYS older people !! It’s like younger folk can’t have disabilities!! Yet I can literally go from being okayish one day to hospitalised the next (I have a very understanding manager) and my car is a lifeline. I do try to brush it off but today I had a run in with an older man and he asked to see the photo on my badge to prove it was mine, I obviously told him he’s not entitled to that information and it’s not an elderly badge it’s a disabled badge and I cried when I was driving home.
it’s not fair…. I’m sick of being judged because I’m not “old” and don’t “look disabled” whatever that should look like. I know it shouldn’t bother me but it really genuinely does. So AIBU to be annoyed at being judged by the older generation because I use a badge I’m legally entitled to??

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Janieforever · 18/07/2024 14:35

TimeandMotion · 18/07/2024 14:28

It’s bleeding obvious that he would not ask if he could see the badge. Doesn’t have to be stated.

Ok. You’re now coming across as very irate. Please take the message the way it is intended, disabled people come in all guises, and they do not like to be challenged on using a space they are entitled to use. There is no way your brother always gets it right, no way, so he is causing people distress.

MrsSkylerWhite · 18/07/2024 14:31

Zebedee999 · Yesterday 20:49
YABU.
OP I don't see your issue. My elderly mother has a blue badge and gets frustrated when the disabled space she uses is occupied by someone not entitled to it”

OP is entitled to hers. It’s irrelevant what your mother thinks.

TimeandMotion · 18/07/2024 14:28

Elleherd · 18/07/2024 14:27

That does not say at any point that he only does this if the other person does not have a badge displayed, and at no point earlier did you say that on a thread about people who do have their blue badge displayed being hustled and harassed about if they are entitled to park.
Please can you just accept that you have accidentally misrepresented what he does and doesn't do and have then expected others to be mind readers. Consequently people are saying your brother has no right to be doing what you have implied he does.

It’s bleeding obvious that he would not ask if he could see the badge. Doesn’t have to be stated.

TimeandMotion · 18/07/2024 14:28

Janieforever · 18/07/2024 14:23

To be fair you actually are but justifying it by saying it’s always blokes and he’s always right. Which I’m not really sure anyone is buying. The point people are making is hidden disabilities are a thing, blue badges are visible and disabled people do not wish to be challenged, harassed, or harangued. They have as much right to use the space as your brother and do not need to justify themselves to him.

“to be fair”? In what way are you being “fair”?

I think you maybe need to look up “harass” and “harangue” in the dictionary.

Elleherd · 18/07/2024 14:27

TimeandMotion · 18/07/2024 10:34

If my paraplegic brother can’t park in a space that allows him to get his chair out, he might ask the space-user if they are entitled to be there because he needs the space himself

That does not say at any point that he only does this if the other person does not have a badge displayed, and at no point earlier did you say that on a thread about people who do have their blue badge displayed being hustled and harassed about if they are entitled to park.
Please can you just accept that you have accidentally misrepresented what he does and doesn't do and have then expected others to be mind readers. Consequently people are saying your brother has no right to be doing what you have implied he does.

TimeandMotion · 18/07/2024 14:26

samedifferent · 18/07/2024 12:28

Ok, so interfere.... But only in certain situations?

I would favor not interfering at all but as this seems to be an extremely challenging idea for some posters I thought getting involved after the occupants had left was the best compromise.

That’s fairly useless if you are a disabled person who needs the space. You have to ask them there and then so they will move if they don’t have a badge. If, on the way back to his car my brother happened to notice a badgeless car parked in a neighbouring BB space I’m not sure he’d care all that much about reporting it tbh

Janieforever · 18/07/2024 14:23

TimeandMotion · 18/07/2024 14:08

You can repeat the words “harangue” and “harass” as much as you like, it doesn’t mean that I have ever suggested anyone do either of those things.

Edited

To be fair you actually are but justifying it by saying it’s always blokes and he’s always right. Which I’m not really sure anyone is buying. The point people are making is hidden disabilities are a thing, blue badges are visible and disabled people do not wish to be challenged, harassed, or harangued. They have as much right to use the space as your brother and do not need to justify themselves to him.

HeySummerWhereAreYou · 18/07/2024 14:14

TimeandMotion · 18/07/2024 14:08

You can repeat the words “harangue” and “harass” as much as you like, it doesn’t mean that I have ever suggested anyone do either of those things.

Edited

You kind of have/

samedifferent · 18/07/2024 14:12

A bloke shouting from his car to strangers is harassing.
He is doing it to challenge people that is the whole point of the interaction.
Many people with disabilities on this thread have highlighted that they dislike this experience when using BB spaces.

TimeandMotion · 18/07/2024 14:08

LadyKenya · 18/07/2024 14:05

That poster has spent more time justifying why it is okay to harangue people parking in BB spaces, who do not appear disabled enough for her, then listening to posters telling her why that behavior is unwelcome, and potentially damaging.

You can repeat the words “harangue” and “harass” as much as you like, it doesn’t mean that I have ever suggested anyone do either of those things.

TimeandMotion · 18/07/2024 14:06

I just think your brother needs to spend time understanding that you can be quite severely disabled without it being at all obvious to the casual observer

Oh he understands that perfectly. He also understands statistics, and the data from his own actual interactions.

TimeandMotion · 18/07/2024 14:05

Janieforever · 18/07/2024 13:55

You’re not going to say anything otherwise really are you

Sorry, I don’t follow?

LadyKenya · 18/07/2024 14:05

Janieforever · 18/07/2024 13:55

You’re not going to say anything otherwise really are you

That poster has spent more time justifying why it is okay to harangue people parking in BB spaces, who do not appear disabled enough for her, then listening to posters telling her why that behavior is unwelcome, and potentially damaging.

Janieforever · 18/07/2024 13:55

TimeandMotion · 18/07/2024 13:47

That’s an interesting perspective. It’s true that (as I just posted in fact) you can’t tell by looking at my brother sitting in his car that he is disabled. Perhaps he could be mistaken for a random busybody.

I’m pretty sure he doesn’t shout though, although I guess he might have to attract the person’s attention.

A man in a wheelchair certainly has the same responsibility as an able-bodied man to think about how his behaviour might make a woman feel vulnerable.

Most of the stories he has told me have been about arsehole blokes though. Next time I see him I’ll ask if he takes any other factors into account before asking. Like I said, the impression I get is that he rarely makes the wrong call.

You’re not going to say anything otherwise really are you

CassandraWebb · 18/07/2024 13:55

TimeandMotion · 18/07/2024 13:47

That’s an interesting perspective. It’s true that (as I just posted in fact) you can’t tell by looking at my brother sitting in his car that he is disabled. Perhaps he could be mistaken for a random busybody.

I’m pretty sure he doesn’t shout though, although I guess he might have to attract the person’s attention.

A man in a wheelchair certainly has the same responsibility as an able-bodied man to think about how his behaviour might make a woman feel vulnerable.

Most of the stories he has told me have been about arsehole blokes though. Next time I see him I’ll ask if he takes any other factors into account before asking. Like I said, the impression I get is that he rarely makes the wrong call.

Men have my condition (myasthenia ) too. It isn't visible but is hugely disabling and often affects our speech /swallow considerably (and the more we use our muscles the worse they get, so every extra step/conversation puts us at more risk). There are so many invisible conditions that are deeply difficult to live with.

I just think your brother needs to spend time understanding that you can be quite severely disabled without it being at all obvious to the casual observer

CassandraWebb · 18/07/2024 13:48

WasThatACorner · 18/07/2024 13:34

Me before disability probably would have too. Now, I often feel too intimidated to speak to anyone, I use the self serve tills and feel proud of myself if I manage to say thank you to the person overseeing the self serve tills.

Disability can create layers of barriers around a person that they are working daily to manage. Anyone who puts an extra challenge in unnecessarily is just cruel.

Exactly. I may not been in a wheelchair most of the time but my speech is often slurred and I don't like interactions with strangers, particularly if they are confronting me. And I can't shout or even raise my voice as I lose the ability to swallow, so if they are yelling from further along a car park I can only ignore them

TimeandMotion · 18/07/2024 13:47

WasThatACorner · 18/07/2024 13:28

But you're wrong.

The requirement is that the BB is displayed. There is not requirement for me to speak to any member of the public about it.

I don't want a man shouting at me from his car asking if I am allowed to park there. I don't want any men shouting at me from cars at all.

The fact that your brother can't see my BB on the dashboard is honestly not relevant.

If he is still in his car all I would see was a man, potentially with his car between me and the shop which is threatening in itself. Add in the shouting male and I am likely to have a panic attack, my pain with go through the roof and I won't be using any BB spaces for a good week.

I display the BB as required but I won't engage with any member of the public querying it, no matter how polite.

People are entitled to report suspected BB misuse, they are not entitled to approach me about my BB.

That’s an interesting perspective. It’s true that (as I just posted in fact) you can’t tell by looking at my brother sitting in his car that he is disabled. Perhaps he could be mistaken for a random busybody.

I’m pretty sure he doesn’t shout though, although I guess he might have to attract the person’s attention.

A man in a wheelchair certainly has the same responsibility as an able-bodied man to think about how his behaviour might make a woman feel vulnerable.

Most of the stories he has told me have been about arsehole blokes though. Next time I see him I’ll ask if he takes any other factors into account before asking. Like I said, the impression I get is that he rarely makes the wrong call.

TomeTome · 18/07/2024 13:39

Disability can create layers of barriers around a person that they are working daily to manage. Anyone who puts an extra challenge in unnecessarily is just cruel.

this is so very true.

WasThatACorner · 18/07/2024 13:34

SayTheWeirdThing · 18/07/2024 13:18

In your position, honestly I'd show them the photo to prove it was mine and make them feel terrible. Any other reaction - however correct - won't educate them through embarrassment. I'd proudly show my photo and declare 'not all disabilities are visible. Do better.' Or something equally smug.

But it must feel horrible, and I'm so sorry.

Me before disability probably would have too. Now, I often feel too intimidated to speak to anyone, I use the self serve tills and feel proud of myself if I manage to say thank you to the person overseeing the self serve tills.

Disability can create layers of barriers around a person that they are working daily to manage. Anyone who puts an extra challenge in unnecessarily is just cruel.

TimeandMotion · 18/07/2024 13:34

LadyKenya · 18/07/2024 12:42

Who are you to "scowl" at the driver. Just mind your own business. I have pulled into a BB spot before, and needed just a minute to catch my breath, before (stone me) I have reached to put my BB on my dashboard. Seeing someone scowl at me, would be the last thing I need.

I suspect that poster doesn’t realise that a BB is not kept permanently on display. I was surprised to learn this, until I found out how vulnerable they are to theft. As well as being portable so the holder can use it in someone else’s car.

My brother enjoys being out and about on the road as he likes that his disability is not obvious to other road users.

ibelieveshereallyistgedevil · 18/07/2024 13:33

oakleaffy · 18/07/2024 13:28

I do believe that people who rely on wheelchairs should have a designated wide space just for them for the reasons you state.

Someone who can walk with aid of a stick or crutches just doesn’t need the same amount of “ Space”.

(Stick user here)

Some might- quite often the space is needed to open the car door fully so they can swivel to stand up or whatever.

WasThatACorner · 18/07/2024 13:30

oakleaffy · 18/07/2024 13:28

I do believe that people who rely on wheelchairs should have a designated wide space just for them for the reasons you state.

Someone who can walk with aid of a stick or crutches just doesn’t need the same amount of “ Space”.

(Stick user here)

By doing this you would further restrict the number of wheelchair users that could park.

The space is needed for a variety of reasons, it may be more than some people need on some days but a standard space would not be enough, therefore more is better than not enough.

YOYOK · 18/07/2024 13:30

oakleaffy · 18/07/2024 13:28

I do believe that people who rely on wheelchairs should have a designated wide space just for them for the reasons you state.

Someone who can walk with aid of a stick or crutches just doesn’t need the same amount of “ Space”.

(Stick user here)

Some people who are non wheelchair users need their doors opening fully, so those spaces would need to big enough to accommodate that.

WasThatACorner · 18/07/2024 13:28

TimeandMotion · 18/07/2024 13:11

I said it was perfectly fine to question WHETHER someone has a BB.

Not why.

But you're wrong.

The requirement is that the BB is displayed. There is not requirement for me to speak to any member of the public about it.

I don't want a man shouting at me from his car asking if I am allowed to park there. I don't want any men shouting at me from cars at all.

The fact that your brother can't see my BB on the dashboard is honestly not relevant.

If he is still in his car all I would see was a man, potentially with his car between me and the shop which is threatening in itself. Add in the shouting male and I am likely to have a panic attack, my pain with go through the roof and I won't be using any BB spaces for a good week.

I display the BB as required but I won't engage with any member of the public querying it, no matter how polite.

People are entitled to report suspected BB misuse, they are not entitled to approach me about my BB.

oakleaffy · 18/07/2024 13:28

Lovepeaceunderstanding · 18/07/2024 12:14

@Sparklebelle1024 , maybe think about it from a different perspective. I looked after my dad in the three years before he died, he lived with me and he couldn’t get out on his own. It’s odd the things you miss when you can’t do them anymore and he liked to go to the supermarket. It was very difficult for me though because I needed the extra space to bring his wheelchair alongside his seat and haul him out. It was really rare for there to be any disabled spaces free, I’d often be forced to park in a mother and child space but even they were scarce. I didn’t take him out so much in the end because I’d be hanging around waiting for a suitable spot to become available and nearly always a perfectly able bodied person would eventually turn up and get in the car they’d parked in the disabled space they didn’t need.
People aren’t entitled to be rude but they are I feel entitled to ask because disabled parking spaces are so often abused.
I thought your question was rather ageist by the way. Elderly people and middle aged people (carers) are the ones most likely to have come across abuse of disabled parking spaces.

I do believe that people who rely on wheelchairs should have a designated wide space just for them for the reasons you state.

Someone who can walk with aid of a stick or crutches just doesn’t need the same amount of “ Space”.

(Stick user here)