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Peri does not necessarily mean weight gain [Content warning added by MNHQ: mentions eating disorders]

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irisetta · 17/07/2024 03:22

Precursor - I have always struggled with eating disorders. Anorexia, bulimia, a weird spitting one that psychiatrists still struggle to classify 20 years later, that's me. The thing that has absolutely saved me is exercise. Running (or jogging) a slow 5k 4-5 times a week, weight training 3 times a week, Pilates twice a week. At 44 I'm trimmer and fitter than I've ever been. I am still struggling with eating disorders though. And that's with 2 kids. Both ND (like me). I'm terrified of passing my disorder to them. They are bright, intelligent kids.

My AIBU -

AIBU - YES Peri DOES mean weight gain, unless you are a disordered nutter like yourself

NAIBU - You can actually not get fat when you hit perimenopause, without being all disordered and crazy, you weirdo

IBU - Yeah we all get fat in the end, deal with it

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Sussurations · 17/07/2024 23:22

If their menopause is relatively easy, women are able to keep up their exercise regimes. They then put their lack of symptoms down to their fitness. Lots of us are forced by menopause symptoms to cut right back on exercise.

I know I wouldn’t have the energy to exercise if I wasn’t on HRT. I’ve always been active, but not much of an exerciser. Suddenly I feel more able and motivated to do it. I also think I’m having a bit of an emotional breakthrough as I seem to be reconnecting to my child (pre puberty) self, and I think it’s all linked. So I think you are right - I am fortunate. I’m only 48 but I think I’ve been in perimenopause since my very early 40s (my DSis is younger than me and has had significant issues).

Sugarnspicenallthingsnaice · 17/07/2024 23:22

Waterfeature · 17/07/2024 23:09

You’re not even in perimenopause OP, don’t be silly

You're on Mumsnet, every woman over 35 is in perimenopause.

Waterfeature · 17/07/2024 23:09

You’re not even in perimenopause OP, don’t be silly

Sugarnspicenallthingsnaice · 17/07/2024 23:05

ohthejoys21 · 17/07/2024 23:00

I do think to myself that at the end of my life, will one of my regrets be "I wish I'd been thinner?" I don't think so!

For me, the answer to that question will depend a lot on the cause of my impending death! I think it's pretty well known that most ill health and early death is linked to lifestyle choices - it's not just about how good we look in a swimsuit.

ohthejoys21 · 17/07/2024 23:00

I do think to myself that at the end of my life, will one of my regrets be "I wish I'd been thinner?" I don't think so!

ohthejoys21 · 17/07/2024 22:56

I'm on the other side of meno in my mid 50's. I've never had to watch what I eat.. now I do. Any weight I gain goes to my stomach and I can literally see it moving to my hipsGrin So the weight distribution changes.

Calliopespa · 17/07/2024 22:40

Garlickest · 17/07/2024 22:06

I rather suspect the lots of exercise + happy menopause combo is a chicken/egg situation. If their menopause is relatively easy, women are able to keep up their exercise regimes. They then put their lack of symptoms down to their fitness. Lots of us are forced by menopause symptoms to cut right back on exercise.

It's clearly worth continuing to do what we can, but the way we age is genetic as much as anything else. Underlying health problems tend to make themselves known around this time, too, as in my own case. I was as fit as fuck at 44. By 54, I needed a long rest after a one-mile walk. It's hard enough to come to terms with; we don't need other women implying we've got problems because we didn't try hard enough.

This is the best post.

Besides being ( dangerously) unhelpful to people with ED, do the “ oh but if you aren’t running and “jumping”(!?) with your family like Me it’s your own fault you don’t feel as great as I do” brigade not have any self-awareness of how twatty they sound to the very many people who can suffer from a wide range of quite debilitating menopausal symptoms.

Garlickest · 17/07/2024 22:06

I rather suspect the lots of exercise + happy menopause combo is a chicken/egg situation. If their menopause is relatively easy, women are able to keep up their exercise regimes. They then put their lack of symptoms down to their fitness. Lots of us are forced by menopause symptoms to cut right back on exercise.

It's clearly worth continuing to do what we can, but the way we age is genetic as much as anything else. Underlying health problems tend to make themselves known around this time, too, as in my own case. I was as fit as fuck at 44. By 54, I needed a long rest after a one-mile walk. It's hard enough to come to terms with; we don't need other women implying we've got problems because we didn't try hard enough.

em11111 · 17/07/2024 14:37

I'm like my mum petite with skinny arms and legs but could easily pass off as 9 months pregnant. I think your genes have a lot to do with it.

OptimismvsRealism · 17/07/2024 14:19

My mum lost weight in peri/menopause and has kept it off. I'm not sure I'll be the same because I love food but I think the trick is to be active and care for your health holistically.

TheNinthLock · 17/07/2024 14:15

Come back to us in a few years OP 😊
At 48/49 was able to shed 5 stone by watching what I ate and walking more. No weights, no running, no crash diets. It took time but I did it over the course of 20 months.
Sadly I took my eye off the ball and regained 2 stone.
I am now 53 and have been trying to lose that 2 stone for the last year. I CAN NOT shift it. I have reduced my food, increased my walking, added some weights and started swimming.
Nope. It’s not happening. I think hormones and their effect on metabolism have a lot to answer for…

Sussurations · 17/07/2024 14:13

For me I have had to focus a lot more on nutrition, so I can eat roughly what I like but I can’t quickly lose a couple of pounds like I used to, and I’m conscious of needing to get the most benefit from every calorie. I also started running 3x a week and Pilates once or twice, on top of being fairly active and walking everywhere. It’s more effort in other words but it’s very rewarding effort.

I have never been thin but I’m not overweight and I feel great, but i do need to be more focused on my diet and health than ever before to feel good.

Calliopespa · 17/07/2024 14:05

CortieTat · 17/07/2024 13:51

It seems from your post that eating well and staying active take away all pleasure in life.

It’s quite the opposite for me, enjoying great, healthy, quality food with my family and friends and being able to run, jump, hike, or chase my kids off piste and staying pain free is priceless.

My first perimenopausal symptom was insomnia. I would spend hours in the middle of the night trying to fall asleep and then feeling like something the cat dragged in the next morning. I solved the problem with lifestyle changes and I don’t feel I sacrificed anything, quite the opposite.
The fact that I buy any clothes I want and they just fit is a nice side effect.

The op has posted mentioning ED. This does not involve “enjoying great, healthy, quality food with friends and family.”

Nor do the other posts suggesting people feel plagued with their fixations on how much they can allow themselves because age is ( and it does) working against them.

You need to read posts in context.

I don’t believe my post does suggest that eating well takes away pleasure and I didn’t even mention anything about staying active or not.

I eat extremely healthily; I don’t like putting rubbish in my body and that would not be enjoyable for me. But I do not think that being wracked with guilt or calorie counting in the pursuit of maintaining my youthful weight ( which would be very low for me and look “ wrong” on someone mid-40’s) is a healthy way to live either physically or mentally. Bodies change and gracious acceptance is a mindset to embrace. It doesn’t mean ( and nor did I say it meant) becoming sedentary and eating junk.

I have lived close to people with eating disorders and extolling the virtues and joys of calorie fixation is not a helpful perspective.

CortieTat · 17/07/2024 13:51

Calliopespa · 17/07/2024 05:32

Sorry to hear this @WeneedSamVimesonthecase . It’s awful to get stuck fixating. I really don’t think you are alone though. I think the women who go through menopause and keep their pre-menopausal figure really do have you obsess from what I observe.

Myself I have to wonder if it really is worth it, given we don’t actually look 25 ( or even 35) forever no matter what we do. It’s not honestly like at 55 you are going to be smoking even if a size 8. You can be thin, but that’s it. In fact it seems to me the women who age fastest in some ways are the ones who don’t “ soften up” a little. They can look quite wizened, I’d say be a bit kind and realistic to yourself. Joining in with family meals etc is such a joy. I was really struck by Michael Moseley’s death. I know his focus was health not vanity which is a bit different, but it did throw into perspective to me that eating ( aka dieting) because we imagine it will see us live to a grand old age is a flawed philosophy. The trick has to be live to the full and be happy. There’s no point being a size 8 in your coffin after spending the years obsessing about your waist. I mean this kindly as we all have to reset perspective at times. If it’s interfering with you just getting on with life, it’s time to loosen up. Of course there is a balance. There’s also nothing gained by ballooning to a huge size.

It seems from your post that eating well and staying active take away all pleasure in life.

It’s quite the opposite for me, enjoying great, healthy, quality food with my family and friends and being able to run, jump, hike, or chase my kids off piste and staying pain free is priceless.

My first perimenopausal symptom was insomnia. I would spend hours in the middle of the night trying to fall asleep and then feeling like something the cat dragged in the next morning. I solved the problem with lifestyle changes and I don’t feel I sacrificed anything, quite the opposite.
The fact that I buy any clothes I want and they just fit is a nice side effect.

Alainlechat · 17/07/2024 12:40

I did put on weight as I felt dreadful and ate too many unhealthy foods thinking they would give me more energy. Turns out they didn't of course and I just put on weight.

Now eating much more healthily and exercising more. Have lost the excess weight, and back to a healthy BMI. Looking at being a toned size 12 which is good enough for me. I'm 54.

Toomanysquishmallows · 17/07/2024 09:59

@Halfheadhighlights , I agree , I’m glad a trigger warning has been added .

lljkk · 17/07/2024 09:22

Being terrified of weight gain is a problem.
The thing you need to worry about is how your fear of weight gain undermines your mental health and good decision making.

5128gap · 17/07/2024 09:13

I'm 55 and my BMI is 21. When I was in my early 40s I did start to gain weight and by the time I was 50 I was two stone heavier than I am now. However I did next to no excercise and didn't eat well. After turning that round with a healthy diet and moderate excercise (a brisk 30 minute walk
most days) here I am. I don't eat in an extreme or disordered way, although I am vegan so my diet is fairly restricted, but I do know that my calorie requirements are not what they were, so I need to keep to around 1800 a day. The main thing is, for health and asthetics you need to be holistic. There is no point in putting your body through extreme excercise regimes or diets, because you may keep your weight low, but you will pay somewhere else, with muscle loss, issues with your bones, skin and hair.
The best thing you can do as you get older is to treat your body with the care you would any vintage thing. Give it the best you can with good food and the excercise it needs of the right type, duration and intensity. Be gentle and focus on care not denial.

Halfheadhighlights · 17/07/2024 09:05

YABVU. Everyone is different, have different body compositions, different metabolisms.

Hope you are still getting help for your ED

And I think this thread needs a trigger warning, it does sound a bit like you’re saying your ED have helped you not gain , which no one should be advocating

Calliopespa · 17/07/2024 09:01

EnjoythemoneyJane · 17/07/2024 08:16

During most of my peri I was in the best shape of my life - really fit and strong - until about 53. Lockdown (so a change to my previous daily running/pilates routine), family illness, an injury, bereavement and becoming post-menopausal meant I put on weight and lost muscle tone. I look ok now, but if that combination of events hadn’t occurred, I honestly believe I’d still be really toned and fit - so yes, YANBU, I think it’s totally possible to stay in shape, albeit with a lot of effort.

But - and it’s a big one - stuff starts to happen to your body after menopause that is simply unavoidable. You can mitigate the effects of aging, but you’re not Dorian Gray, you absolutely cannot stop them.

If you already suffer from disordered thinking around food and exercise, you seriously need to get help with acceptance, or you will spend your last precious decades on this planet obsessing about superficial nonsense and trying to turn back time rather than enjoying the time you still have.

When it comes to your kids, you know they’re listening and watching. It’s important to try to help yourself, for your sake and theirs.

I think this is what I was trying to say too really. Acceptance because more important than weight loss from a vanity perspective ( and actually weight loss can worsen things from a vanity perspective) because staying slim will not make you look young again. Your looks will and must change.

Calliopespa · 17/07/2024 08:58

TerfsWereRight · 17/07/2024 07:23

But this is assuming keeping weight off is just about vanity and that’s absolutely not the case. There are many reasons to aim to stay trim even if you don’t care what you look like. I have osteoarthritis in my knees so keeping my weight down is crucial to maintain mobility and health. Being over weight puts a lot of pressure on your joints which causes problems as you age even if you don’t have arthritis, and there are multiple other health benefits to being a healthy weight and trying to avoid it sliding op as you age.

Yes I agree with healthy weight. But a number of these posts are concerned Roth not gaining from earlier years. As the op has distorted eating in order to maintain, and from the tenor of her post, I didn’t have the impression this was about being in any seriously overweight category ( that’s why I said I understand MM was targeting something slightly different ).

EnjoythemoneyJane · 17/07/2024 08:16

During most of my peri I was in the best shape of my life - really fit and strong - until about 53. Lockdown (so a change to my previous daily running/pilates routine), family illness, an injury, bereavement and becoming post-menopausal meant I put on weight and lost muscle tone. I look ok now, but if that combination of events hadn’t occurred, I honestly believe I’d still be really toned and fit - so yes, YANBU, I think it’s totally possible to stay in shape, albeit with a lot of effort.

But - and it’s a big one - stuff starts to happen to your body after menopause that is simply unavoidable. You can mitigate the effects of aging, but you’re not Dorian Gray, you absolutely cannot stop them.

If you already suffer from disordered thinking around food and exercise, you seriously need to get help with acceptance, or you will spend your last precious decades on this planet obsessing about superficial nonsense and trying to turn back time rather than enjoying the time you still have.

When it comes to your kids, you know they’re listening and watching. It’s important to try to help yourself, for your sake and theirs.

Amazondeliverydriver · 17/07/2024 08:01

@Singlespies agree completely. I haven’t had a period for a year now (hurray) and no HRT, I feel totally fine. Im convinced it’s because I exercise daily and refuse to succumb to everyone saying menopause makes you fat (caveat that I know everyone has different symptoms etc but I genuinely think if everyone exercised more - an hour a day if possible - then they’d feel so much better)

Singlespies · 17/07/2024 07:39

I have never had disordered eating but was consistently the same size from 32 until injuries at 45. I then put on weight due to decreased activity. I started doing strength training to build muscle to protect in the injuries. I have gone back to my original size, although am more muscly. At 50 I don't seem to have any menopausal symptoms other than periods slowing down, and I do wonder whether outdoor activity and the gym is helping with this. So, a good enough reason to keep active, with the side effect being not putting on weight.

TerfsWereRight · 17/07/2024 07:23

Calliopespa · 17/07/2024 05:32

Sorry to hear this @WeneedSamVimesonthecase . It’s awful to get stuck fixating. I really don’t think you are alone though. I think the women who go through menopause and keep their pre-menopausal figure really do have you obsess from what I observe.

Myself I have to wonder if it really is worth it, given we don’t actually look 25 ( or even 35) forever no matter what we do. It’s not honestly like at 55 you are going to be smoking even if a size 8. You can be thin, but that’s it. In fact it seems to me the women who age fastest in some ways are the ones who don’t “ soften up” a little. They can look quite wizened, I’d say be a bit kind and realistic to yourself. Joining in with family meals etc is such a joy. I was really struck by Michael Moseley’s death. I know his focus was health not vanity which is a bit different, but it did throw into perspective to me that eating ( aka dieting) because we imagine it will see us live to a grand old age is a flawed philosophy. The trick has to be live to the full and be happy. There’s no point being a size 8 in your coffin after spending the years obsessing about your waist. I mean this kindly as we all have to reset perspective at times. If it’s interfering with you just getting on with life, it’s time to loosen up. Of course there is a balance. There’s also nothing gained by ballooning to a huge size.

But this is assuming keeping weight off is just about vanity and that’s absolutely not the case. There are many reasons to aim to stay trim even if you don’t care what you look like. I have osteoarthritis in my knees so keeping my weight down is crucial to maintain mobility and health. Being over weight puts a lot of pressure on your joints which causes problems as you age even if you don’t have arthritis, and there are multiple other health benefits to being a healthy weight and trying to avoid it sliding op as you age.