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To get irritated by surveys that ask for my 'gender' but not for my sex?

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Oodiks · 16/07/2024 22:29

If it's on paper I cross out 'gender' and write in sex, if it's a phone survey I comment that my sex is female.

I am my body, my body is me, and my body is female. I do not believe in gendered souls being popped into the 'wrong' body by some foolish god.

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SherbetSweeties · 17/07/2024 08:07

My friend crossed out pregnant person on her maternity notes 😂 and put pregnant women.

WillLiveLife · 17/07/2024 08:06

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Kriscross · 17/07/2024 08:05

Devilsmommy · 17/07/2024 00:47

I think the most ridiculous place I encountered this was when looking at nurseries. The form asked child's gender. Options were male, female, non binary 😳 I mean FFS are there really any non binary 3 year olds and under? 🤨

Yes, this is how stupid it's becoming. Telling children at nursery they can pick their 'gender' but then confuse the word on many forms. The thing is children are actually being told they can change sex, leading to a life of massive disappointment when they realise they cannot.

Hellopetalmetal · 17/07/2024 08:03

To the many posters who don’t have (or feel they have) a gender - agender is a valid identification :)
hope that helps

0live · 17/07/2024 07:58

Drivingnowhere · 17/07/2024 07:09

I agree OP. I had to sign a medical form for my ds's school trip. I scored out gender and wrote sex. If the form is to be used in a medical capacity then it's pretty important the sex of the patient is known, not what they identify as.

I agree. I’m also confused by forms that ask what gender my child was allocated at birth. All my children were born in the Uk and they were NOT allocated any gender , either in hospital when they were born or when I registered their birth a few weeks later at the registrars office.

They have all now completed 13 years of state schooling and I’m 100% sure that they have NEVER been allocated a gender . So I don’t know at what stage it gets allocated and by whom.

I don’t know of a country which DOES allocate these genders to children and why on official education form would be asking this . It must be very rare and yet often there is no option to say “ not applicable “. I’ve certainly never seen one of these forms with boxes for all the 156 genders, so it must be very distressing and excluding for those people who have one of them that is not mentioned.

And what about the people who have different genders over time, sometimes varying each week? How on earth are these people supposed to answer these questions ?

MrsGlennBulb · 17/07/2024 07:29

If there’s no box for “female” I tick “other”. That opens a dialogue box where I am able to impart the irrefutable information that I am a female.

TheEyesOfLucyJordon · 17/07/2024 07:21

Incakewetrust · 16/07/2024 22:53

Honestly, I have more important things to worry about in life. I'd love to have the time to get so worked up about something this small.

What a devilishly whirlwind existence 😳

Don't you worry; we'll keep up the good fight on behalf of womankind.

Drivingnowhere · 17/07/2024 07:09

I agree OP. I had to sign a medical form for my ds's school trip. I scored out gender and wrote sex. If the form is to be used in a medical capacity then it's pretty important the sex of the patient is known, not what they identify as.

Underthinker · 17/07/2024 07:05

Underthinker · 17/07/2024 06:57

I agree with you i just think gender was used as a near synonym of sex for centuries before the linguistic (male female neuter), academic (socially constructed roles etc) or cultish (gender identity) usages emerged. Sometimes people do use it to mean sex and while that confuses things I dint think it's necessarily "wrong".

Although having said all that I still do cross out gender on forms and replace it with sex.

Underthinker · 17/07/2024 06:57

SharonEllis · 16/07/2024 23:03

Thats because people got caught up in a cult and got coy about the use of the word sex. The dictionary definition didnt change. If someone asks you the gender of your cat you point out that a cat has no concept of gender but you know its sex is M or F.

I agree with you i just think gender was used as a near synonym of sex for centuries before the linguistic (male female neuter), academic (socially constructed roles etc) or cultish (gender identity) usages emerged. Sometimes people do use it to mean sex and while that confuses things I dint think it's necessarily "wrong".

Marmiteontoastgirlie · 17/07/2024 04:07

Yes me too. Although bear in mind that it’s likely someone clueless from HR making the form rather than a political statement. Recently I had to correct a draft form that had the “gender” options as: male, female, intersex, gender fluid, and trans. I had to point out that it felt like some concepts were being muddled.

Hateam · 17/07/2024 04:01

Hellopetalmetal · 16/07/2024 22:33

Something I do find annoying on surveys though is why my title is determined partly by whether I’m married (unless doctor/professor etc)!!! And men just have Mr status regardless…

But all forms have the option 'Ms' Surely? That is the exact equivalent of Mr.

AbraAbraCadabra · 17/07/2024 03:40

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Where have you been the last 5-10 years?!?

Catnipcupcakes · 17/07/2024 03:31

asexualtoadlover

That’s what I’m going to be if anyone asks from now on 😎

lamanama · 17/07/2024 03:10

There are many sensible reasons for the gender/sex question on forms, but mostly what is required is very straightforward 'black and white' answer, and simply referring to your biological, born form. Unless the particular circumstances of the survey/form/questionnaire are concerned with some personal identity or sexual tendencies no one cares in 99% of the time the question is being asked if you think or feel a version of M or F or have made any mental or physical 'alterations' to your biological origin.

BobbyBiscuits · 17/07/2024 02:43

There's often a question now asking if your gender is the same as your birth sex. I'm presuming that would be infuriating too!
It's hard to please everyone when asking these generic questions. I do think the word 'sex' almost became taboo, like if you said the word sex it would make people think of sexual intercourse? Hence why the word gender became more common. But now that's also a hotbed of controversy.
I guess it should just say 'are you female/male/something else?
Though obviously the 'something else' could also be deemed controversial.
I'm glad I don't have to write surveys any more, haha.

lamanama · 17/07/2024 02:39

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😂😂 hilarious

Oodiks · 17/07/2024 02:31

SleepPrettyDarling · 17/07/2024 00:52

I care, and I feel it does matter. It’s asked for a multiplicity of reasons, and it skews data if ‘gender’ is employed and considered a self-selecting social construct. There is a long history of discrimination of women on the basis of sex. Asking ‘gender’ makes this a woolly and distorting question if people are given anything other than a male/female binary choice.

Thank you and well said!

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Oodiks · 17/07/2024 02:30

BeachParty · 17/07/2024 01:42

My sex is female, my gender is female.
I am a "biological woman" physically, I identify as one too gender wise.
So I really can't get worked up if it asks for my gender. I just answer.
I don't understand more why some people on here can't seem to grasp that we're not all the same.
I just tick the box for me. Female and female.

Good for you.

I don’t get ‘worked up’ either, just irritated by imprecise terminology.

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Oodiks · 17/07/2024 02:29

Echodaisy7 · 17/07/2024 01:33

Why let it bother you so much? It's just a word on a form. People get so het up about this gender stuff. If you're a woman then great, write woman. Why is it such a big deal?

Because sex matters. Not gender.

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BeachParty · 17/07/2024 01:42

My sex is female, my gender is female.
I am a "biological woman" physically, I identify as one too gender wise.
So I really can't get worked up if it asks for my gender. I just answer.
I don't understand more why some people on here can't seem to grasp that we're not all the same.
I just tick the box for me. Female and female.

Echodaisy7 · 17/07/2024 01:33

Why let it bother you so much? It's just a word on a form. People get so het up about this gender stuff. If you're a woman then great, write woman. Why is it such a big deal?

SleepPrettyDarling · 17/07/2024 00:52

I care, and I feel it does matter. It’s asked for a multiplicity of reasons, and it skews data if ‘gender’ is employed and considered a self-selecting social construct. There is a long history of discrimination of women on the basis of sex. Asking ‘gender’ makes this a woolly and distorting question if people are given anything other than a male/female binary choice.

Oodiks · 17/07/2024 00:49

Devilsmommy · 17/07/2024 00:47

I think the most ridiculous place I encountered this was when looking at nurseries. The form asked child's gender. Options were male, female, non binary 😳 I mean FFS are there really any non binary 3 year olds and under? 🤨

In a sense they are all non-binary at that age. I mean it just doesn't matter that much, they can wear the same clothes, use the same bathrooms etc.

Some languages don't really use gendered terms for small children, they are just children.

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Oodiks · 17/07/2024 00:47

DTisawazzock · 17/07/2024 00:37

You mean "Mrs" or "Miss"? I haven't seen that for many a year. I can't remember what it actually says (probably Mrs or Ms). Anyway I've always been a Ms, before I married and now.

When I was a teenager, I had to write in Ms on forms because it wasn't always included as an option.

I was irritated to find that as soon as Ms became commonplace it was joined by Mx, denoting neither male or female.

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