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Brown haired white kids never in photos

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StevieChicks · 16/07/2024 12:00

Just that really.
Seen the new school prospectus. Beautiful blond children everywhere, front cover and throughout, a few mixed race children, fewer black and Asian students (because racism) but without a doubt the least photographed children are kids like mine. Children with naturally brown, mousey or dark brown hair.
It's not the same as racism and I would not for a second think that this trivial matter is in any way similar to other discourses around representation. And maybe I have a chip on my shoulder from the eighties when I was never a Disney princess and had to be the evil witch. It doesn't feel like much has changed.
My son's hair is thick and dark brown/ black. He has very pale skin. I just don't see this as the desired aesthetic. The world still goes mad for blonde children.

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Sugargliderwombat · 16/07/2024 14:10

Biffbaff · 16/07/2024 14:09

YABU. White with brown hair has to be the least discriminated-against demographic there is.

I'm not very invested in this but I am genuinely curious - when do you think White Blondes have been discriminated against?

Biffbaff · 16/07/2024 14:09

YABU. White with brown hair has to be the least discriminated-against demographic there is.

Sugargliderwombat · 16/07/2024 14:09

Is this a private school?

StevieChicks · 16/07/2024 14:08

There's enough people on here saying they know what I mean. I don't think it's in my head. In the same way that 8-11 year old boys aren't praised or cooed over or even acknowledged.

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coupdetonnerre · 16/07/2024 14:05

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Totoe · 16/07/2024 14:02

Kindly, I think that the chip on your shoulder that you mentioned is speaking here.

It’s a sad fact of life that pretty babies, children, teens and adults get photographed more / produce better photos than ordinary looking ones.
I don’t think it has anything to do with hair colour, unless whoever chose the photos for your prospectus was biased towards blondes. But I don’t think it’s a general thing.

StevieChicks · 16/07/2024 13:59

@orangeleopard I think that's what it is with my son. He is just very ordinary looking.

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GoingRoundInTriangularCircles · 16/07/2024 13:59

Can't say I've ever noticed or felt the need to pay attention to that

50shadedofmagnolia · 16/07/2024 13:59

I'm blonde I was always an angel in the school plays but my tiny sized brown haired girls was horrified when she was picked to be an elf in her school play 😂🤣😂

orangeleopard · 16/07/2024 13:58

No I agree. It’s always the children with unique features who appear as the ‘chosen’ children for the school. They choose children of other races to show they’re diverse and the children with disabilities to show they’re inclusive. A boy in my son’s class has a large birth mark on his face and he’s the child that is the poster child each year for the class/school. My son is pretty ordinary (in terms of features and standing out appearance wise) so he never appears on the newsletters let alone the website etc.

StevieChicks · 16/07/2024 13:58

@40andlovelife because we live in a very diverse area in an inner city. Choosing five blonde kids to go on the front of the brochure is a bit weird.

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Needmorelego · 16/07/2024 13:58

@Disasterclass I was Mary because she didn't have any lines.
I didn't speak much back then 😂
(It was Carnival of the Animals so Mary was just watching the animals perform)

garlictwist · 16/07/2024 13:58

RitaFromThePitCanteen · 16/07/2024 12:28

Yep, it's a thing. I was the dark-haired one of my siblings. The bias is of course nowhere near what people of other races and ethnicities go through every day, but it doesn't mean that that bias isn't sometimes there. I distinctly remember an adult telling one of my parents that it was a shame I wasn't blonde like my other siblings, when I was about 7.

My sister has three blonde daughters. The eldest one, now 8 is losing her blondness and becoming much darker. My sister is really upset about it. I, who am brunette, challenged her on this but she couldn't really articulate why she felt like this. I do think blondeness is favoured in kids, especially girls.

YouJustDoYou · 16/07/2024 13:58

The kids who get photographed in my children's (very mixed race) school are the ones who can behave for the photo shoots lol. So it's all a good mix of students used, just the ones who behave! You're sore over nothing. Who cares.

Disasterclass · 16/07/2024 13:56

In my experience the confident, middle class kids get the main roles in the plays in primary- in DDs primary it tended to be 2 white kids, one with brown hair, one with red hair

YouJustDoYou · 16/07/2024 13:55

#firstworldproblems

Needmorelego · 16/07/2024 13:54

I was Mary one year. I have mousy brown hair.
In another play the character of "Dutch Mother" was played by a boy and when we did Joseph and his Technicolour Dreamcoat Joseph (plus about half of the brothers) and Pharaoh were played by girls.

Disasterclass · 16/07/2024 13:51

My DD is in the photo that is used on the school website/ in comms. 5 kids:
2 Black
2 Asian (one with a headscarf)
1 White with light brown hair

MrsWhattery · 16/07/2024 13:50

I did notice that throughout my kids' nursery and primary school years, all nativity Marys had long blonde hair. All of them. I don't think it was deliberate, but I do think the teachers thought "hmm Mary = pick the most sweet and innocent looking girl" and that unconsciously means long blonde hair. To their credit, one year a girl with a prominent facial mark was chosen as Mary and I know they were making an effort to be more thoughtful and not exclude her. But she still had long blonde hair!

It's one of those things people don't realise they're doing IMO. When they try to be inclusive and diverse. people often try to include people they think of as minority or excluded. They don't think "just include everyone".

Nittersing · 16/07/2024 13:49

I just checked our school website and found the following numbers. Broken down it looks like a fair representation of our school. If anything brown hair kids are a little over represented.

African 7
Indigenous 14
Asian 13
Indian 9
Maori 2
Caucasian w brown hair 15
Caucasian w blonde hair 7
Caucasian w red hair 1

Waffle78 · 16/07/2024 13:46

Waffle78 · 16/07/2024 13:45

I've never noticed it's usually a mixture of all I'm sure they choose the most photogenic and natural in front of the camera. My DD went to a SEN school there was a few pictures of her on the website. They don't have a school prospectus. Because children have to be referred there by the department for education. We don't really have much say in what school they go to.

And btw both my children have mousy blonde hair. DS left before they posted pictures of children online.

Nanny0gg · 16/07/2024 13:45

StevieChicks · 16/07/2024 12:00

Just that really.
Seen the new school prospectus. Beautiful blond children everywhere, front cover and throughout, a few mixed race children, fewer black and Asian students (because racism) but without a doubt the least photographed children are kids like mine. Children with naturally brown, mousey or dark brown hair.
It's not the same as racism and I would not for a second think that this trivial matter is in any way similar to other discourses around representation. And maybe I have a chip on my shoulder from the eighties when I was never a Disney princess and had to be the evil witch. It doesn't feel like much has changed.
My son's hair is thick and dark brown/ black. He has very pale skin. I just don't see this as the desired aesthetic. The world still goes mad for blonde children.

When I produced a school prospectus I just looked for children doing something interesting/purposeful/fun
Their features/colouring didn't come into it

MassiveOvaryaction · 16/07/2024 13:45

StevieChicks · 16/07/2024 13:33

I have no intention of raising this with the school, that would be ridiculous.

Yeah. Almost as ridiculous as thinking your demographic is deliberately excluded.

Waffle78 · 16/07/2024 13:45

I've never noticed it's usually a mixture of all I'm sure they choose the most photogenic and natural in front of the camera. My DD went to a SEN school there was a few pictures of her on the website. They don't have a school prospectus. Because children have to be referred there by the department for education. We don't really have much say in what school they go to.

MrsSunshine2b · 16/07/2024 13:44

BerlinBabe · 16/07/2024 13:38

I am a graphic designer that has done a lot of school marketing collateral including many a prospectus, and I can categorically say that I have never chosen to nor been directed to use predominantly blond children. Admittedly there has been some direction to use mixed race / black / Asian children to suggest diversity but never ever have blond children been chosen due to their hair colour. I will pick photos based on a number of things: clarity, composition, overall aesthetic (as in background etc), suitability (smart enough etc), facial expression, and yes if the child is photogenic that helps too. But hair colour? Nah.

My DD's school website has children of all weights and hair colours, and I wouldn't say they seem to have been selected for being especially beautiful, just ordinary looking children doing interesting activities. There are a pair of SE Asian identical twins who are featured quite prominently but I can't really blame the school/photographer for that considering they are probably the only non-white children in a very white area and they are also adorable.

As for the two local private schools, one features all hair colours but they definitely try to get one of the very few non-white kids in most shots, and one has around 12 children per year so I'd say nearly all the children are on the website. That one is surprisingly diverse for the area actually.