AIBU to feel frustrated with restaurant?

They said that the fatal heart condition is often previously undiagnosed. Not that the death itself would be “undiagnosed”.

Not tying myself in knots, just think your talking rubbish.

And to say these deaths would be undiagnosed......

Hilarious!!

It happens, people dying from caffeinated coffee, when they've asked for decaf, but it's just not found out.

Like I said, I was mistaken that it was not coffee but the difference is immaterial imho. The victims died after consuming a drink that they thought was caffeine-free. Most people do not expect a lemonade to contain caffeine. A large coffee in a lot of establishments contains a similar amount of caffeine to this lemonade so the exact same thing could happen if the person was given caffeinated coffee instead of decaf.

You didn’t, you posted something about a super charged caffeine drink. We are talking about a cup of coffee. Happy for you to find me a news story about this but your other posts are not relevant.

It is rare but there were two cases in the US last year. I posted one above. People die from overdosing on caffeine fairly regularly, but usually this is due to drinking far too much coffee or energy drinks, or miscalculating the dose of a caffeine supplement. In the cases where people have died after drinking only one or two caffeinated drinks, they have invariably had underlying heart issues. The fact that it is uncommon does not make it okay for establishments to be lax about serving caffeine to people who do not want it.

@Bluebirdover, no, I didn’t, I drank decaf at home. However, many heart conditions like mine can be asymptomatic for a long time. Sometimes otherwise fit and healthy young people drop down dead during or following exercise, often as a result of an undiagnosed heart condition.

As I said:

High doses of caffeine are dangerous for some people and cafes and restaurants serving coffee should take care when somebody orders decaf.

I’m not sure why you’re tying yourself up in knots trying to deny this. It’s a simple, inoffensive statement based on fact. I guess some people just love to argue.

If you suddenly dropped down dead for no apparent reason, they would investigate that death and perform an autopsy. If it was shown you had been taken large quantities of caffeine and that had killed you the that would be recorded. I’m pretty sure if it was a common thing, there would be news stories about people dying from drinking coffee. I can’t find any so am deducing it’s incredible rare.

Did you drink coffee whilst out? If it was that dangerous did you risk a mistake?

If so, I think you were extremely foolhardy.

I used to have a heart condition that led to tachycardia upwards of 300 bpm. I was told not to drink caffeinated drinks but decaf was ok (decaf coffee has less caffeine than a few squares of dark chocolate). As well as being extremely unpleasant, an episode put me at risk of sudden death.

The thing is, if I had an episode or even died as a result, it’s very unlikely anyone would follow it up with a coffee shop so it wouldn’t make the news. High doses of caffeine are dangerous for some people and cafes and restaurants serving coffee should take care when somebody orders decaf.

I was mistaken that it was coffee but it’s still caffeine so materially the same as if it had been coffee.

Your powers of observation are very poor, do not become a detective!

@mutationseagull it's totally irrelevant, it's about a supercharged caffeinated drink, not a cup of coffee!

It’s very relevant as different caffeinated drinks contain different levels of caffeine.

I don’t agree that it is irrelevant. The point of my post was to illustrate that people can die from consuming one caffeinated drink. The type of drink is irrelevant.

@mutationseagull this is about coffee containing caffeine, your post is irrelevant.

I was mistaken that it was coffee but it’s still caffeine so materially the same as if it had been coffee.

Also worth mentioning that tachycardia is not harmless – if your heart beats too fast for too long it can cause permanent damage which can lead to life-threatening issues later on, even if you don’t realise it at the time.

This isn’t coffee.

People have absolutely died after drinking a beverage that they thought was caffeine-free. This young woman was the subject of a wrongful death lawsuit last year in the US. She drank one cup of lemonade of which the caffeine content was not properly advertised. Another man died after drinking the same beverage. These types of fatal incidents are certainly rare and usually linked to existing heart defects. But for those with milder caffeine sensitivity, symptoms like tachycardia, migraine and severe agitation are still extremely unpleasant, unacceptable and avoidable.

@BeachParty but you were agreeing with someone who said people died, it's not true!

Yes, sorry, I was trying to quote person who said people die from it, not you. Of course it’s not nice to have heart palpitations but I dispute its going to kill you.

It's not just about dying though, is it.
A lot of people can have say heart palpitations from consuming caffeine for example.

I mean I have googled instances of people dying from one cup of coffee and found a big fat zero!

This - I suffer from allergies, it's not acceptable.
People are sensitive to caffeine/can't drink it for various health reasons, you should be able to trust that you actually get what you asked for.

I’m aware but Pepsi Max supposedly has more then others

I'm very sensitive to caffeine because of dizziness issues. I wouldn't assume it wasn't decaf, from my experience some decaf coffees (especially nice ones!) can contain a fair bit of caffeine, enough to make me feel ill so presumably also enough to keep you up. I also think that decaf through coffee machines also sometimes has residual caffeine. Decaf tea has a much lower amount of caffeine as well as the naturally caffeine free ones like peppermint, roobosh etc.

All coke does.