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To NOT support England ???

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Shaketherombooga · 15/07/2024 11:49

I’m not English. I have lived in England for a very long time. I do not support the England football team, I frequently support their opposition!

Colleague has taken the England loss hard, and said ‘ I bet you’re glad they lost’ - I replied that I was essentially a neutral but thought Spain deserved the win.

Hes gone off in a big old rant about how if I live here I should be supporting England teams etc.
I think he should have a wee lie down and chill out!

YABU - you SHOULD support the team of a country you’ve made a life in - even if you are from a former colony of that country

YANBU - of course you don’t have to support a national team that’s not yours

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hotcheeto · 15/07/2024 13:03

AzureAnt · 15/07/2024 12:31

I'll probably get my arse flamed for saying this but isn't it about time people got over the atrocities that happened half a millennium ago? It's wasn't just Britain and certainly not just England, yet on and on they go, bleating the same old shite as if we in the here and now, are oppressing all you whinging sops.
And before anyone jumps in, The British were at the forefront of banning the slave trade, as well you all know!!

100% agree. What has football got to do with colonisation (if that is presumably what this is about)? If OP regularly supports the opposite team, I hope they don't support France, Germany, Belgium, Spain, Russia, Italy, Netherlands, Japan, Portugal, Sweden, Denmark, and Norway. Probably several others that I'm forgetting about. Probably throw in USA for their part in slavery too. And double Germany because they were once Nazis. Honestly ridiculous.

ThatMrsM · 15/07/2024 12:59

I think it's nice to support the country you live in (unless they are playing your home country and you prefer to support them). I lived in Germany during the last world cup and supported them as well as England. I would have supported England if they had played Germany though.

5128gap · 15/07/2024 12:58

I think you are entitled to have any opinion you want about the country you've chosen to live in, and any opinion you choose about whether their football team wins. However, given you live with a person who is presumably feels differently about the country he lives in and its football team, I think its unnecessarily rude and provocative to make a performance about supporting the other side. It's a reasonable bet that English people who like football would be supporting England, so unless you were a genuine supporter of Spain I don't get why you'd even get into this with your partner other than to be awkward.

Rainbowsponge · 15/07/2024 12:57

inamarina · 15/07/2024 12:56

Same here. I’m not British, but it’s always interesting to see posters rushing in and accusing others of being Reform voters if they display even a hint of patriotism in any shape or form.

The funny thing is the English are nowhere NEAR as patriotic as the Scottish/Irish… both of whom happily profited from the slave trade.

inamarina · 15/07/2024 12:56

Goldenbear · 15/07/2024 12:52

I’m not I’m seeing the usual on MN these days, divisive wind up merchants that appear to be quite miserable and before you respond I have Scandinavian heritage so no truck here!

Same here. I’m not British, but it’s always interesting to see posters rushing in and accusing others of being Reform voters if they display even a hint of patriotism in any shape or form.

Dotto · 15/07/2024 12:56

Shaketherombooga · 15/07/2024 11:57

He’s now followed up with some blathering about this is why they lose because people like me don’t believe in them etc. 😅
I had no idea I held such power, to influence a national football team to play so badly…

I genuinely think he might have to go home early, the hangover has clearly sent the poor guy loopy…

Hahaha, what a knob

Rainbowsponge · 15/07/2024 12:55

retinolalcohol · 15/07/2024 12:54

The 'anyone but England', based on distant history, attitude is just so divisive and unnecessary IMO.

I couldn't give a shiny shite that England lost last night - couldn't be less interested in football (more of a rugby girl). Did not even watch it.

But social media is grinding my gears today, purely because I get sick to the back teeth of being 'hated' for something I was never guilty of. Eg. Irish colleague today coming at me just because of how my voice sounds.

I expect a lot of English people feel similar, and that's why they get their backs up!

I just think they’re trying to offset their personal guilt at the fact they’re choosing to live and pay taxes here… by saying ‘well I still hope they lose the euros’

Maria1979 · 15/07/2024 12:54

I don't think it's about football. You seem to dislike England because of what some people who are now all dead did. I can't stand that victim mentality. Go on hating the Swedes for the brutality of the vikings, the Germans for obvious reasons etc. But what are you doing living in such a horrific country? Surely there must be à country with a pure history where you could live? Switzerland are known to have been neutral so why don't you try your luck over there.. their football team are in need of supporters!

SecondStarOnTheRight · 15/07/2024 12:54

I'm English but would never support England in a football final. I'm really not into football so I'm not going to suddenly support them because they're in a final.

They wouldn't ask someone who was a Man U fan living in London to suddenly start supporting Chelsea because they live there, so they shouldn't be telling you to support England because you live in England either.

Support who you like. It doesn't matter where you're from or where you live.

CedarFence · 15/07/2024 12:54

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Right….,

You know many of the English team have family trees in formerly colonised (and worse) countries?

It may be that your colleague’s issue with you is your general rudeness, your active insulting of his team, etc.

But in the end it’s just football and whether you even watch and whoever you choose to ‘support’ makes no difference.

retinolalcohol · 15/07/2024 12:54

The 'anyone but England', based on distant history, attitude is just so divisive and unnecessary IMO.

I couldn't give a shiny shite that England lost last night - couldn't be less interested in football (more of a rugby girl). Did not even watch it.

But social media is grinding my gears today, purely because I get sick to the back teeth of being 'hated' for something I was never guilty of. Eg. Irish colleague today coming at me just because of how my voice sounds.

I expect a lot of English people feel similar, and that's why they get their backs up!

Samthedog71717 · 15/07/2024 12:52

My friend is half Spanish half Greek Cypriot, born in Ireland, raised in Scotland and lived most of her adult life in England. She is all for Spain, its just a game a little bit of healthy competition. Whoever said that is odd.

Goldenbear · 15/07/2024 12:52

SeeSeeRider · 15/07/2024 12:49

I'm kind of seeing a number of Reform voters on this thread, if not worse. ENGERLAND FOOTBAWW - love it or leave it! etc etc.

I’m not I’m seeing the usual on MN these days, divisive wind up merchants that appear to be quite miserable and before you respond I have Scandinavian heritage so no truck here!

cardibach · 15/07/2024 12:51

philosoppee · 15/07/2024 12:08

Can't stand your attitude. No idea why you would actively not support the country you're living in. No wonder people find your attitude annoying.

I don’t actively support any football teams. It’s not compulsory. Sounds a bit like the Tebbit test, which is a bit unpleasant.

Rainbowsponge · 15/07/2024 12:50

SeeSeeRider · 15/07/2024 12:49

I'm kind of seeing a number of Reform voters on this thread, if not worse. ENGERLAND FOOTBAWW - love it or leave it! etc etc.

I think it’s more ‘I don’t support the football because famine/Gaza’ etc.

It makes as much sense as putting a stapler in a jelly

Shaketherombooga · 15/07/2024 12:50

I almost wished I had …

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Shaketherombooga · 15/07/2024 12:49

NooNakedJacuzziness · 15/07/2024 12:46

If I was Dave I'd put your stapler in jelly

Ooh, retro. A stapler. I’ve heard of those, big in the 80s weren’t they?

Can I just clarify that I DID NOT mention the football ⚽️ Dave did. I didn’t rock up in a Spain shirt shouting ‘Ole!’

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SeeSeeRider · 15/07/2024 12:49

I'm kind of seeing a number of Reform voters on this thread, if not worse. ENGERLAND FOOTBAWW - love it or leave it! etc etc.

Goldenbear · 15/07/2024 12:49

Shaketherombooga · 15/07/2024 12:47

Well he started it. It did pick one of the 2 none English people in today and start on me… presumably the Scot is too big to pick a fight with … it’s not harassment… if he’s stupid enough to think they didn’t win because of something anyone did other than the team and coaches and players then so be it.

So you’re not Scottish, is Australia a former colony of England or Britain?

cardibach · 15/07/2024 12:49

User79853257976 · 15/07/2024 12:06

That’s true though - a lot of us do support the other home nations.

It’s not what I observed when Wales progressed further than England, to be honest.
I have zero interest in football so I don’t support any team. I was slightly dreading an England win for the inevitable going on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on about it on the tv and social media for the next zillion years though. I didn’t actively wish them to lose because I don’t have enough interest in it to do that, but England fans and the media do the team no favours.

AzureAnt · 15/07/2024 12:48

Shaketherombooga · 15/07/2024 12:38

Ooh… Irish famine? Palestine? Division of India? Northern Ireland? Bengal Famine?
Boer War? British concentration camps in South Africa. British ships at the heart of the slave trade?
Mau Mau massacre?
I could go on or alternatively you could crack open a history book that doesn’t jump straight from Henry 8th to Queen Victoria to WW2.

Aye crack on then

serialcatbuyer · 15/07/2024 12:48

Glad they lost

Shaketherombooga · 15/07/2024 12:47

Well he started it. It did pick one of the 2 none English people in today and start on me… presumably the Scot is too big to pick a fight with … it’s not harassment… if he’s stupid enough to think they didn’t win because of something anyone did other than the team and coaches and players then so be it.

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NooNakedJacuzziness · 15/07/2024 12:46

If I was Dave I'd put your stapler in jelly

Ploughlifht · 15/07/2024 12:46

It’s probably the endless ‘anyone but England’ attitude. We get it, you hate England (yet choose to live here).
I also doubt this happened, it was just an excuse for yet another thread from an anti English poster ✌️

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