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To NOT support England ???

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Shaketherombooga · 15/07/2024 11:49

I’m not English. I have lived in England for a very long time. I do not support the England football team, I frequently support their opposition!

Colleague has taken the England loss hard, and said ‘ I bet you’re glad they lost’ - I replied that I was essentially a neutral but thought Spain deserved the win.

Hes gone off in a big old rant about how if I live here I should be supporting England teams etc.
I think he should have a wee lie down and chill out!

YABU - you SHOULD support the team of a country you’ve made a life in - even if you are from a former colony of that country

YANBU - of course you don’t have to support a national team that’s not yours

OP posts:
Rainbowsponge · 15/07/2024 13:28

cloudy477654 · 15/07/2024 13:27

You can't force yourself to support a team though, it's just about how you feel. I'm Welsh and while I would have chosen England to win over Spain if forced, I actually just didn't care either way.
If I moved to another country I would support their team out of politeness but I wouldn't really care

So you’re absolutely not the kind of person I’m talking about

I wouldn’t expect a Welsh person, living in England, to support England.

cloudy477654 · 15/07/2024 13:27

You can't force yourself to support a team though, it's just about how you feel. I'm Welsh and while I would have chosen England to win over Spain if forced, I actually just didn't care either way.
If I moved to another country I would support their team out of politeness but I wouldn't really care

CedarFence · 15/07/2024 13:25

Shaketherombooga · 15/07/2024 13:16

‘It may be that your colleague’s issue with you is your general rudeness, your active insulting of his team, etc.’

Did you even read my OP??? I wasn’t rude, I didn’t bring it up - HE has a pop at me and then lost it when I said I was ‘neutral’ and then he basically got sent home to bed to sleep it off by his manager.

You are rude to posters here. You have described him as stupid, etc.

TangentsPlease · 15/07/2024 13:25

Dave started this particular instance, and you just reacted -

BUT you have got such a massive chip on your shoulder. If this is how you go on normally your colleagues are probably bloody fed up of you!

Crazy revelation, but people who have no direct connection to previous (yes abhorrent, unacceptable, horrible historical action) get kind of bored of being looked down on or being told their shit because you've got a weird bitterness about you. And you actively celebrating or crowing about the failure or something they genuinely care about falls into that imo. Yeh, it's only football. But, why be intentionally goady?

Gingerdancedbackwards · 15/07/2024 13:25

Shaketherombooga · 15/07/2024 12:38

Ooh… Irish famine? Palestine? Division of India? Northern Ireland? Bengal Famine?
Boer War? British concentration camps in South Africa. British ships at the heart of the slave trade?
Mau Mau massacre?
I could go on or alternatively you could crack open a history book that doesn’t jump straight from Henry 8th to Queen Victoria to WW2.

And your country of birth is squeaky clean?

Shaketherombooga · 15/07/2024 13:24

Hedgeoffressian · 15/07/2024 13:18

Yet more anti-English rhetoric on Mumsnet I see. I just knew that sooner or later one of these threads would pop up. This isn’t about football, it’s just another opportunity to have a dig, complete with sweeping generalisations about English people. You clearly have a chip on your shoulder about England and English people OP. If you hate it so much then why don’t you just hop over the border and go and live in Scotland?

Edited

Too rainy. Also, why Scotland out of interest??

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GeraniumLeaves · 15/07/2024 13:23

Anyone can support or not support anyone they like. It’s only football.

But making it known that you actively don’t want England to win to English people in England, regardless of who the other side is, isn’t exactly pleasant. I’ve had a colleague from mainland Europe in the past who whinged constantly about how shit everything and everyone was here (cheers!) and a US friend who transferred here for work and severely wore on my nerves with his constant complaining about how backwards we are. It doesn’t play well. My Dh isn’t English and has plenty of gripes about living here, but he manages not to wind friends and colleagues up with negativity and superiority.

Gingerdancedbackwards · 15/07/2024 13:22

Shaketherombooga · 15/07/2024 12:16

Mate, I both play football and coach football. And I’d put my house on Brazil showing up any day of the week and playing more creative, interesting football than this current national English men’s team.
They weren’t very good. Spain were much, much better. There’s no a commentator in the world who watched that game and thought England should have won.

Soccer or aussie rules?

Rewis · 15/07/2024 13:22

Not that who you support really matters. If you prefere the other team that's totally fine but I do find the mentality "I don't care who England is playing, I'll support anyone but england" a bit peculiar. I also find the black and white in sport to be annoying. Yesterday down at the pub (not in UK) listening to people the people ok differnet sidd were basically both saying that my team is good, yours is utterly carbage and such a pile of shit and everything they do is total shit. No in-between.

Hedgeoffressian · 15/07/2024 13:18

Yet more anti-English rhetoric on Mumsnet I see. I just knew that sooner or later one of these threads would pop up. This isn’t about football, it’s just another opportunity to have a dig, complete with sweeping generalisations about English people. You clearly have a chip on your shoulder about England and English people OP. If you hate it so much then why don’t you just hop over the border and go and live in Scotland?

Shaketherombooga · 15/07/2024 13:18

5128gap · 15/07/2024 13:09

Apologies. For some reason I thought the conversation was with your DP, although you clearly said colleague! Obviously making up my own stories here!

We have enough to argue about without starting fights over pointless football matches thanks!

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cupcaske123 · 15/07/2024 13:17

Bex5490 · 15/07/2024 13:14

I think people should be a bit careful labelling things with such strong words like ‘threatening and harassment.’

OP didn’t say this man had harassed her or seemed threatening. She doesn’t exactly seem intimidated.

Imagine they took your advice and went to HR on the basis of harassment over that conversation? Poor bloke could lose his job!

On the contrary, she seems very chirpy and keen to let people know how she doesn't support England so she can stir things up. Does seem intimidated to me.

Shaketherombooga · 15/07/2024 13:16

‘It may be that your colleague’s issue with you is your general rudeness, your active insulting of his team, etc.’

Did you even read my OP??? I wasn’t rude, I didn’t bring it up - HE has a pop at me and then lost it when I said I was ‘neutral’ and then he basically got sent home to bed to sleep it off by his manager.

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Bex5490 · 15/07/2024 13:14

Sunglow1921 · 15/07/2024 13:11

If be extremely uncomfortable if a work colleague basically blamed me for England losing. It is illogical and, depending on the tone, could sound quite threatening.

However, OP does seem to have a chip on their shoulder so I’m wondering what they actually said to the colleague.

I think people should be a bit careful labelling things with such strong words like ‘threatening and harassment.’

OP didn’t say this man had harassed her or seemed threatening. She doesn’t exactly seem intimidated.

Imagine they took your advice and went to HR on the basis of harassment over that conversation? Poor bloke could lose his job!

Goldenbear · 15/07/2024 13:12

dotdotdot22 · 15/07/2024 13:11

I'm English and live in England and couldn't give a toss they lost! But I wish they'd been knocked out earlier rather than limping through to the final - and by consequence it was on in our house. Utterly tedious.

How miserable.

dotdotdot22 · 15/07/2024 13:11

I'm English and live in England and couldn't give a toss they lost! But I wish they'd been knocked out earlier rather than limping through to the final - and by consequence it was on in our house. Utterly tedious.

Sunglow1921 · 15/07/2024 13:11

Bex5490 · 15/07/2024 12:03

I think this is a little extreme - how is it harassment?

If be extremely uncomfortable if a work colleague basically blamed me for England losing. It is illogical and, depending on the tone, could sound quite threatening.

However, OP does seem to have a chip on their shoulder so I’m wondering what they actually said to the colleague.

5128gap · 15/07/2024 13:09

Shaketherombooga · 15/07/2024 13:06

I am neither English nor married to anyone English so no conflict at home over football! DP couldn’t give a stuff about football anyway, doesn’t understand the fuss.

Apologies. For some reason I thought the conversation was with your DP, although you clearly said colleague! Obviously making up my own stories here!

Rainbowsponge · 15/07/2024 13:09

x2boys · 15/07/2024 13:08

There was a lot of movement between the four nations so I never get the hate for the English
I'm English I was born here but my Dad was born in Ireland and most of my mums ancestors were Irish ,I bet that's not unique to my family, I bet there are loads of English people, who have Scottish, Welsh, Irish heritage.

We all do, my mum’s side are Irish and my Dad’s Finnish.

x2boys · 15/07/2024 13:08

There was a lot of movement between the four nations so I never get the hate for the English
I'm English I was born here but my Dad was born in Ireland and most of my mums ancestors were Irish ,I bet that's not unique to my family, I bet there are loads of English people, who have Scottish, Welsh, Irish heritage.

Shaketherombooga · 15/07/2024 13:06

5128gap · 15/07/2024 12:58

I think you are entitled to have any opinion you want about the country you've chosen to live in, and any opinion you choose about whether their football team wins. However, given you live with a person who is presumably feels differently about the country he lives in and its football team, I think its unnecessarily rude and provocative to make a performance about supporting the other side. It's a reasonable bet that English people who like football would be supporting England, so unless you were a genuine supporter of Spain I don't get why you'd even get into this with your partner other than to be awkward.

I am neither English nor married to anyone English so no conflict at home over football! DP couldn’t give a stuff about football anyway, doesn’t understand the fuss.

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ChefsKisser · 15/07/2024 13:05

I find football supporters annoying but the people smugly NOT supporting any particular team is even more tedious tbh.

MirandaBlu · 15/07/2024 13:04

Shaketherombooga · 15/07/2024 12:02

If you’re looking for a Spanish shirt to wear I think the Scots already got them all, sorry!

By tomorrow some may have regained a sense of perspective and humor about it. Good luck!

Nope, we mythical English-averse Scot Nats are almost equally disdainful of Spain - perhaps even more so as no one got literally bashed over the head by the Occupying Power during our independence referendum! We'll be wearing the Catalunya shirts - or Euskadi in a pinch!

Hes gone off in a big old rant about how if I live here I should be supporting England teams etc.

I think he should have a wee lie down and chill out!

You're both unreasonable.

Shaketherombooga · 15/07/2024 13:04

ThatMrsM · 15/07/2024 12:59

I think it's nice to support the country you live in (unless they are playing your home country and you prefer to support them). I lived in Germany during the last world cup and supported them as well as England. I would have supported England if they had played Germany though.

Ooh, careful some posters think that those not supporting the team of a country they live in regardless , should be deported!

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Goldenbear · 15/07/2024 13:04

inamarina · 15/07/2024 12:56

Same here. I’m not British, but it’s always interesting to see posters rushing in and accusing others of being Reform voters if they display even a hint of patriotism in any shape or form.

Yes I agree but also I am British but I’m a Londoner born and grew up there in married to a fellow London born person who has a diverse heritage and this limited view of the English is bizarre to me as my upbringing was so diverse. I just don’t see the dividing lines as religiously as some people I suppose!

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