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To NOT support England ???

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Shaketherombooga · 15/07/2024 11:49

I’m not English. I have lived in England for a very long time. I do not support the England football team, I frequently support their opposition!

Colleague has taken the England loss hard, and said ‘ I bet you’re glad they lost’ - I replied that I was essentially a neutral but thought Spain deserved the win.

Hes gone off in a big old rant about how if I live here I should be supporting England teams etc.
I think he should have a wee lie down and chill out!

YABU - you SHOULD support the team of a country you’ve made a life in - even if you are from a former colony of that country

YANBU - of course you don’t have to support a national team that’s not yours

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lolly792 · 15/07/2024 18:14

Funny how the OP addresses the entire thread as if they're British - 'you Little Britainers.' I'm not. I'm not so childishly anti-Brits either.

Rizzola95 · 15/07/2024 18:14

Hedgeoffressian · 15/07/2024 13:18

Yet more anti-English rhetoric on Mumsnet I see. I just knew that sooner or later one of these threads would pop up. This isn’t about football, it’s just another opportunity to have a dig, complete with sweeping generalisations about English people. You clearly have a chip on your shoulder about England and English people OP. If you hate it so much then why don’t you just hop over the border and go and live in Scotland?

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This.
I'm no football fan myself but I don't begrudge fans being happy and excited. In fact I think it's nice and I love seeing them singing and decorating with flags. I also don't like how them being hopeful and singing songs is always skewed by anglophobes into them being arrogant. Fans of the other nations don't seem to come under the same scrutiny despite seemingly behaving the same way (we are obviously exposed to our own fans and media more because we're in the same country as them).
What I find tiresome is the way it's inevitably used by anti English people and they seem to be a lot more vocally (and frequently) negative and toxic than anything I've seen coming from England fans tbh.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 15/07/2024 18:13

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I think I would support Scotland if they got through- but I totally understand them not supporting England. Not every street is or has to be two way.

Shaketherombooga · 15/07/2024 18:11

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Telling Dave that I wasn’t supporting England last night was hardly ‘bitching and moaning’ about England…
Little Britainers may hate when forinners live here, but nowt you can do about it. Must be annoying when people from countries you conquer follow you home and THEN have the gall not to support your football team 😂

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DanielGault · 15/07/2024 18:09

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Why, out of interest? Immigrants should put up and shut up is it?

Shaketherombooga · 15/07/2024 18:07

SeasideJane · 15/07/2024 18:06

I choose to live in England as an Irish person but don't support the men's teams as it is often jingoistic and crowing. Their supporters seem to hate and patronise all other countries teams. However there is joy and celebration in the much more successful women's football team. I'm pleased for them. Long may it stay sportingly positive like this.

Totally agree with this… there were England supported dressed up as WW2 pilots at some of the games, FFS…

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StrawberryMemories · 15/07/2024 18:06

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lolly792 · 15/07/2024 18:06

Nearly bedtime OP

Shaketherombooga · 15/07/2024 18:06

To be clear I like living where I live I’m just not a supporter of the England football team!
it is possible to live in a country while not thinking A) it’s perfect B) changing nationality C) Giving a damn about their national sports team/s!

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SeasideJane · 15/07/2024 18:06

I choose to live in England as an Irish person but don't support the men's teams as it is often jingoistic and crowing. Their supporters seem to hate and patronise all other countries teams. However there is joy and celebration in the much more successful women's football team. I'm pleased for them. Long may it stay sportingly positive like this.

Rainbowsponge · 15/07/2024 18:05

Shaketherombooga · 15/07/2024 18:04

Do you think the only people living in England should be English? The NHS would lose half its work force over night for starters!
What a bizarre question.

What you responded was absolutely not what they posted, and you know it.

LivelyBlake · 15/07/2024 18:05

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Are you always this rude?

What nationality are you?

DanielGault · 15/07/2024 18:05

Goldenbear · 15/07/2024 17:58

Is that we they are saying, the reality is in football England does fair well in comparison to the rest of the UK, if you are Irish this wouldn’t be a post aimed at you would it!

I am Irish, but that doesn't negate my point. England have had very little actual success, despite a very prominent league. And England should do well compared to the other UK countries by sheer dint of its size. But they have been poor. I don't count this team in those terms, they just came up against a better team in Spain. But there seems to be quite a few people knocking around that believe you're 'owed' a trophy for some reason. That gets my goat tbh.

Shaketherombooga · 15/07/2024 18:04

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Do you think the only people living in England should be English? The NHS would lose half its work force over night for starters!
What a bizarre question.

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Goldenbear · 15/07/2024 18:01

Fare not fair

Goldenbear · 15/07/2024 18:00

DanielGault · 15/07/2024 17:57

That's like something a ten year old would say tbh 😂

I think the oP sounds like a ten year old as they won’t reveal their ‘former colony’ why not?

Goldenbear · 15/07/2024 17:58

DanielGault · 15/07/2024 17:55

Again, it's that attitude. We don't owe you our support. Mind yourselves, and the rest of us will support who we like, with or without your approval. As for you always doing better, apparently the trophy cabinet tells a different story, so get down off your high horse.

Is that we they are saying, the reality is in football England does fair well in comparison to the rest of the UK, if you are Irish this wouldn’t be a post aimed at you would it!

DanielGault · 15/07/2024 17:57

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That's like something a ten year old would say tbh 😂

DappledThings · 15/07/2024 17:57

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Why do you have to change your nationality to live somewhere? I have British friends who are settled in Spain, France, New Zealand and the US. Don't think any of them have changed their nationality or consider themselves to be Spanish, American etc.

Doesn't mean they aren't fully integrated and enjoying where they live.

StrawberryMemories · 15/07/2024 17:55

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DanielGault · 15/07/2024 17:55

LadyGrinningSoul8517 · 15/07/2024 17:49

I'm English, and couldn't give a naff about football.
However, I do find your behaviour and insistence on supporting the opposing team just because they aren't England very immature.

It's like a petulant child stamping their feet screaming "IF WE CAN'T HAVE IT, THEY CAN'T!"

Try growing up a little, maybe?

One day your home team may get there, but it's not anyone else's fault that we always do better.
Stop wasting your energy on such pettiness.

Again, it's that attitude. We don't owe you our support. Mind yourselves, and the rest of us will support who we like, with or without your approval. As for you always doing better, apparently the trophy cabinet tells a different story, so get down off your high horse.

User135644 · 15/07/2024 17:54

I can't stand the England football team for various reasons.

Was happy to cheer for the Lionesses.

Rizzola95 · 15/07/2024 17:54

"Ooh… Irish famine? Palestine? Division of India? Northern Ireland? Bengal Famine?
Boer War? British concentration camps in South Africa. British ships at the heart of the slave trade?
Mau Mau massacre?
I could go on or alternatively you could crack open a history book that doesn’t jump straight from Henry 8th to Queen Victoria to WW2"

Perhaps you should pick up a history book OP instead of just cherry picking historical events that highlight one countries sins. Countries across the world will have a history of slavery, wars, famine, tyranny, cruelty and abuse, savagery beyond most of our comprehension. History was extremely cruel and harsh for most (and many countries today continue to experience all of this). Acknowledging only one strand of history to justify your own prejudice is exceedingly ignorant, it's a big wide world out there.
Further, the people perpetuating the atrocities you listed were not representative of the general population, my ancestors were poor and oppressed themselves. My ancestors were not colonisers or slave owners..and even if they were evil and cruel, am I fuck being held accountable for someone else's actions. I mean it's absolutely ridiculous to use it as an excuse to hate people. At what point, which generation do you start to think "hmm this is a bit silly"?

But tbh I think it was clear from the start that you only started this thread as a means spout yet more xenophobia. There's no Dave and you typed it all out from your living room, right?
Football (and who you choose to support) is unimportant, having it used as yet another chance to demean you and your country is the issue. Just stop. And no more accusing "the English" of being anti Irish/Scottish/welsh/whatever.. it's been made clear that actually that's pure projection and complete hypocrisy of an accusation

Goldenbear · 15/07/2024 17:54

You didn’t reply to Welsh so I assume you’re Welsh? Is you former colony actually in Europe?

LadyGrinningSoul8517 · 15/07/2024 17:49

I'm English, and couldn't give a naff about football.
However, I do find your behaviour and insistence on supporting the opposing team just because they aren't England very immature.

It's like a petulant child stamping their feet screaming "IF WE CAN'T HAVE IT, THEY CAN'T!"

Try growing up a little, maybe?

One day your home team may get there, but it's not anyone else's fault that we always do better.
Stop wasting your energy on such pettiness.

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