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Shaketherombooga · 2024-07-15T10:49:21+00:00

I’m not English. I have lived in England for a very long time. I do not support the England football team, I frequently support their opposition! Colleague has taken the England loss hard, and said ‘ I bet you’re glad they lost’ - I replied that I was essentially a neutral but thought Spain deserved the win. Hes gone off in a big old rant about how if I live here I should be supporting England teams etc. I think he should have a wee lie down and chill out! YABU - you SHOULD support the team of a country you’ve made a life in - even if you are from a former colony of that country YANBU - of course you don’t have to support a national team that’s not yours

x2boys · 15/07/2024 19:26

WildLemur · 15/07/2024 19:11

I'm Welsh and generally support anyone-but-England. This isn't because I hate England - which I don't - but I think it's a pretty normal feature of sporting rivalry to not want a rival to do well.

Similarly, when Wales made the semi finals in Euro 2016, I found that quite a few England fans started rooting against us, because they knew that Welsh fans would have been insufferable if we won the Euros before England did!

I think the main reason a lot of England fans aren't as inclined to support anyone-but-Scotland/Wales is mainly because it's vanishingly rare for Scotland or Wales to look like they might be in with a shot of winning something, whereas England are often contenders.

Well that doesn't make sense as any team that plays against Wales is a rival surely ?

Jumpingthruhoops · 15/07/2024 19:25

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This. I actually think it's exactly this attitude among some who migrate here that pisses a lot of natives off.

Goldenbear · 15/07/2024 19:24

Shaketherombooga · 15/07/2024 19:23

The relevance would be what exactly? Not English means not English, not supporting the England football team means not supporting the England football team.
If you’re hoping to get me deported I can assure you that I am legally fine to be living in London!

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I can’t believe you live in London when your outlook is so parochial, I find it hilarious that you think this would shock people if you live in London!

Rizzola95 · 15/07/2024 19:24

Agree with what @DanielGault? You haven't mentioned anything that I have actually said to either agree or disagree.

DanielGault · 15/07/2024 19:23

Rizzola95 · 15/07/2024 19:20

"I don't have personal prejudice ( not so bad at making stuff up yourself). I said I dislike the media bullshit around the English team"

That's not what you've said to me at all @DanielGault . And I have not referred to that once, I told you what I was referring to. More than once.
The "personal prejudice" remark wasn't made up, it's how you're coming across especially with your repeated refusal to acknowledge that you've misinterpreted posts and missed the point.

No, my repeated refusal to agree with you. That's different.

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Shaketherombooga · 15/07/2024 19:23

Goldenbear · 15/07/2024 19:19

Where are you from, what’s the country that was a ‘former colony’?

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The relevance would be what exactly? Not English means not English, not supporting the England football team means not supporting the England football team.
If you’re hoping to get me deported I can assure you that I am legally fine to be living in London!

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Shaketherombooga · 15/07/2024 19:21

iamtheblcksheep · 15/07/2024 19:11

People like you are why certain political parties are expanding in popularity.

who’s that aimed at, me?? My lack of cheering on England cost them not only the final last night but is also responsible for Reform too??
Lack of imagination and courage, that’s what’s cost them the final.

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BMW6 · 15/07/2024 19:20

The OP is obviously Irish.

Rizzola95 · 15/07/2024 19:20

"I don't have personal prejudice ( not so bad at making stuff up yourself). I said I dislike the media bullshit around the English team"

That's not what you've said to me at all @DanielGault . And I have not referred to that once, I told you what I was referring to. More than once.
The "personal prejudice" remark wasn't made up, it's how you're coming across especially with your repeated refusal to acknowledge that you've misinterpreted posts and missed the point.

Goldenbear · 15/07/2024 19:19

Shaketherombooga · 15/07/2024 19:17

‘Actually they played pretty well yesterday ’

We must have been watching a different match then…England barely touched the ball in the first 15 minutes, their passing was flat and poor, and did they even have 2 shots on target in the first half?

Where are you from, what’s the country that was a ‘former colony’?

Jumpingthruhoops · 15/07/2024 19:19

YANBU to not support the England team.

YABU, however, to boldly declare your stance to someone who clearly does support the England team after such a loss.

A little tact probably wouldn't have gone amiss.

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Shaketherombooga · 15/07/2024 19:17

‘Actually they played pretty well yesterday ’

We must have been watching a different match then…England barely touched the ball in the first 15 minutes, their passing was flat and poor, and did they even have 2 shots on target in the first half?

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DanielGault · 15/07/2024 19:15

Goldenbear · 15/07/2024 19:12

You have an issue with the England supporters but the players before they were famous would have been part of the very people you dislike.

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I said I have an issue with the media. And I suppose the like of this crap on here. That's all. You don't have to agree with me. I get the feeling I won't agree with you. But I'm perfectly entitled to my own opinion.

Goldenbear · 15/07/2024 19:12

DanielGault · 15/07/2024 19:11

They support themselves? Is that not a given? Still confused as to what you mean tbh.

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You have an issue with the England supporters but the players before they were famous would have been part of the very people you dislike.

iamtheblcksheep · 15/07/2024 19:11

People like you are why certain political parties are expanding in popularity.

GreyBlackLove · 15/07/2024 19:11

WithACatLikeTread · 15/07/2024 19:00

So if it is the media people take unbridge with and rightly so why do so many post xenophobic posts against the English?The media is not our fault and I was thinking "calm it down a bit".

It sounds like you are mistakenly conflating the people who think the issue is media coverage with the people posting xenophobic content.
I can't explain or talk to the logic of a demographic I'm not a part of.

WildLemur · 15/07/2024 19:11

I'm Welsh and generally support anyone-but-England. This isn't because I hate England - which I don't - but I think it's a pretty normal feature of sporting rivalry to not want a rival to do well.

Similarly, when Wales made the semi finals in Euro 2016, I found that quite a few England fans started rooting against us, because they knew that Welsh fans would have been insufferable if we won the Euros before England did!

I think the main reason a lot of England fans aren't as inclined to support anyone-but-Scotland/Wales is mainly because it's vanishingly rare for Scotland or Wales to look like they might be in with a shot of winning something, whereas England are often contenders.

Goldenbear · 15/07/2024 19:11

lolly792 · 15/07/2024 19:03

I don't think they've decided yet

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Yes a ‘former colony’ is all we know

DanielGault · 15/07/2024 19:11

Goldenbear · 15/07/2024 19:09

Quite simple really, the England team were and are supporters of the England team, so why are you letting them off the hook?

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They support themselves? Is that not a given? Still confused as to what you mean tbh.

Goldenbear · 15/07/2024 19:09

DanielGault · 15/07/2024 18:59

I don't understand your point here, sorry.

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Quite simple really, the England team were and are supporters of the England team, so why are you letting them off the hook?

NasiDagang · 15/07/2024 19:09

Shaketherombooga · 15/07/2024 17:39

Well you crack on, I’m not English and don’t consider myself to be. If you want to change nationality then that’s entirely your choice.
I’ll keep mine as is.

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Bugger off to a different country then.

DanielGault · 15/07/2024 19:09

Rizzola95 · 15/07/2024 19:06

"No idea why you feel I owe you an explanation? My posts are very clear."

Where did I say you owed me an explanation @DanielGault? Similar to your assumptions that I thought people "owed" England football teams their support 😆 stop making shite up.

And no your posts aren't clear. You're making things up to justify your personal prejudice. I didn't ask you to explain yourself, I was just making it clear that your posts misrepresented what I had said.

I don't have personal prejudice ( not so bad at making stuff up yourself). I said I dislike the media bullshit around the English team

Rizzola95 · 15/07/2024 19:06

"No idea why you feel I owe you an explanation? My posts are very clear."

Where did I say you owed me an explanation @DanielGault? Similar to your assumptions that I thought people "owed" England football teams their support 😆 stop making shite up.

And no your posts aren't clear. You're making things up to justify your personal prejudice. I didn't ask you to explain yourself, I was just making it clear that your posts misrepresented what I had said.

lolly792 · 15/07/2024 19:03

WithACatLikeTread · 15/07/2024 18:54

Curious why you are not keen to say the nationality?

I don't think they've decided yet

DanielGault · 15/07/2024 19:02

WithACatLikeTread · 15/07/2024 19:00

So if it is the media people take unbridge with and rightly so why do so many post xenophobic posts against the English?The media is not our fault and I was thinking "calm it down a bit".

I can only speak for myself but for me it's definitely the media, yes. I'm sure there are people who just don't like the team and post crap about them, but such is life these days.