To NOT support England ???

Evidently not if the ideas of the English are so outdated!

Believe it or not we don't spend a huge amount of time pondering life in England, Morris dancing or not. No idea how many here are DM readers. But there have been some strange attitudes on this thread and they do get your back up tbh.

I think there are some odd notions of ‘English people’ and ‘English culture’ and a real misunderstanding as to how diverse England is. I was born in London, grew up in London and went to school with people with such a rich heritage that’s just a laughable notion that we are all Morris dancers and that we don’t understand difference and can’t accept it. People just read too many Daily Mail articles and come up with these completely inaccurate prejudices.

You’re strangely obsessed with our ‘colonial past’ op and clearly hoping you’ll find someone who has an issue with you living in England. I’ll say it again op..no one cares.

no, but in response to a poster saying people are still going on about stuff that happened 500 years ago, I was merely pointing out that England has been fucking up politically all over the world as recently as the 20th Century.

‘Actually they played pretty well yesterday ’

We must have been watching a different match then…England barely touched the ball in the first 15 minutes, their passing was flat and poor, and did they even have 2 shots on target in the first half?

I think a lot of this is 'wind them up and watch them go'. I'm in Ireland and a lot of people were supporting Spain but its not actually that deep, if England would have played well and won there would have a general consensus of fair play to them.

I think more people find it funny that it seems to annoy a lot of English people very much when they support anyone but England and that's where the fun actually lies - watching the indignation. It's a bit of a sport in itself, mean maybe but relations between the UK and Ireland haven't exactly been stellar lately so I can't see it changing any time soon.

I think a lot of this is 'wind them up and watch them go'. I'm in Ireland and a lot of people were supporting Spain but its not actually that deep, if England would have played well and won there would have a general consensus of fair play to them.

I think more people find it funny that it seems to annoy a lot of English people very much when they support anyone but England and that's where the fun actually lies - watching the indignation. It's a bit of a sport in itself, mean maybe but relations between the UK and Ireland haven't exactly been stellar lately so I can't see it changing any time soon.

That the problem with your colonial past, left the door open for other people to come back to England legally… bit rich moaning about it now!

Of course they did, Scotland in particular was heavily entrenched.

British not English. Going by all the massive houses and estates across the union they all profited from it.

Your colleague asked if you're happy England lost because you're one of those who advertises this to any one who will listen.

I assume the slave trade involvement was tangled up with the English but feel free to educate me. As to the rest of our sins, they are indeed hideous, but it's pretty nasty to bring them up on a thread about football. Whatever makes you feel better though.

..says the person who started a thread about hating the English football team and has spent literally the entire day posting on it, bringing up Northern Ireland, Palestine, a famine from hundreds of years ago and repeatedly whined about colonialism.

It’s only a game!

‘Actually they played pretty well yesterday ’

We must have been watching a different match then…England barely touched the ball in the first 15 minutes, their passing was flat and poor, and did they even have 2 shots on target in the first half?

I was responding not only to being directly asked but also to OP’s post about all her grievances with English history and why that’s related to her hatred of the football team

www.historyireland.com/clean-hands-ireland-slavery-and-the-slave-trade/

Are you telling me that all those ex-pats from England living in Spain were cheering for Spain? Not sure I believe that.

"Ooh… Irish famine? Palestine? Division of India? Northern Ireland? Bengal Famine?
Boer War? British concentration camps in South Africa. British ships at the heart of the slave trade?
Mau Mau massacre?
I could go on or alternatively you could crack open a history book that doesn’t jump straight from Henry 8th to Queen Victoria to WW2"

Perhaps you should pick up a history book OP instead of just cherry picking historical events that highlight one countries sins. Countries across the world will have a history of slavery, wars, famine, tyranny, cruelty and abuse, savagery beyond most of our comprehension. History was extremely cruel and harsh for most (and many countries today continue to experience all of this). Acknowledging only one strand of history to justify your own prejudice is exceedingly ignorant, it's a big wide world out there.
Further, the people perpetuating the atrocities you listed were not representative of the general population, my ancestors were poor and oppressed themselves. My ancestors were not colonisers or slave owners..and even if they were evil and cruel, am I fuck being held accountable for someone else's actions. I mean it's absolutely ridiculous to use it as an excuse to hate people. At what point, which generation do you start to think "hmm this is a bit silly"?

But tbh I think it was clear from the start that you only started this thread as a means spout yet more xenophobia. There's no Dave and you typed it all out from your living room, right?
Football (and who you choose to support) is unimportant, having it used as yet another chance to demean you and your country is the issue. Just stop. And no more accusing "the English" of being anti Irish/Scottish/welsh/whatever.. it's been made clear that actually that's pure projection and complete hypocrisy of an accusation

Not really minding who wins doesn’t mean you aren’t interested in the quality of the game or the football played… what a weird comment…