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To NOT support England ???

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Shaketherombooga · 15/07/2024 11:49

I’m not English. I have lived in England for a very long time. I do not support the England football team, I frequently support their opposition!

Colleague has taken the England loss hard, and said ‘ I bet you’re glad they lost’ - I replied that I was essentially a neutral but thought Spain deserved the win.

Hes gone off in a big old rant about how if I live here I should be supporting England teams etc.
I think he should have a wee lie down and chill out!

YABU - you SHOULD support the team of a country you’ve made a life in - even if you are from a former colony of that country

YANBU - of course you don’t have to support a national team that’s not yours

OP posts:
SherbetSweeties · 15/07/2024 20:48

This is the side of football I cannot stand. I like football and enjoy watching if but it’s a game and yes it was disappointing but like you say Spain were the better team and we lost.

Ploughlifht · 15/07/2024 20:47

Shaketherombooga · 15/07/2024 20:39

‘English people are not indignant that someone might not support their team. I mean, come on.’

Oh yes they are! Just read through the posts - still it’s heartening than only 30% have voted that you SHOULD have to support England if you live here 😅
Maybe Reform could add that to their mad manifesto for the next election, unless they’re planning on chucking all of us Johnny Foreigners out anyway 😀

Nope, they’re not, Really no one cares and no one is being indignant. I know you hoped it would go that way, but it hasn’t. Sorry we aren’t as ‘reform’ as you hoped (you like bringing reform up too don’t you).

Liv999 · 15/07/2024 20:47

Rainbowsponge · 15/07/2024 20:39

And England won the Rugby World Cup in 2003. Ireland have never won a knockout match in the rugby World Cup, but I thought it was their ‘main’ sport.

You'd be wrong, Hurling and Gaelic football are our 'main' sports

lolly792 · 15/07/2024 20:47

Oh yes they are

Oh no they're not!

Grin
Goldenbear · 15/07/2024 20:44

Buddysbunda · 15/07/2024 20:27

Mate, your on a thread with 100s of replies from indignant people and it's not the first of these I've seen over the past few days. The OP wound everyone up and then watched them go. I'm not saying everyone sits around discussing it but if an Irish/Scottish/French/insert all of the other countries with beef against England gave a little poke like the OP has someone will bite. Of course 'Not All English people are like this' but there are plenty. Just like if you poke an Irish person in the right place you will get a reaction of sorts.

That's all part of the 'sport' giving the right poke at the right time.

On social media but that is literally almost the whole point of social media these days! Equally. dont be disingenuous, the100s of posts are not indignation though are they, many of them are pointing out that English people don’t give a shit as many of us don’t think along diversity lines as simply the Irish and the English, the English makeup is so diverse that it would ludicrous to think like that in 2024, this is why many are pointing out that the OP is wrong and it is more likely a personality clash. Equally, many posts have been asking what former colony the OP comes from as they genuinely believe the average person from England cares about that. You may feel it is a certain way as you are living in Ireland but I just don’t think it features on the average English person’s radar.

AngryBird6122 · 15/07/2024 20:43

YANBU to the OP you posted. You shouldn't have to support a football team just because you live there or for any other reason.

If you however actively and passionately want any other team in the world to beat that team because (insert reason - colonialism for example) then that would be U, and quite odd. And obsessively hateful.

WithACatLikeTread · 15/07/2024 20:42

Shaketherombooga · 15/07/2024 20:39

‘English people are not indignant that someone might not support their team. I mean, come on.’

Oh yes they are! Just read through the posts - still it’s heartening than only 30% have voted that you SHOULD have to support England if you live here 😅
Maybe Reform could add that to their mad manifesto for the next election, unless they’re planning on chucking all of us Johnny Foreigners out anyway 😀

If you are Irish most English don't think of them as foreigners actually. Don't know why you are persisting on trying to portray us as racist.

Rainbowsponge · 15/07/2024 20:41

Buddysbunda · 15/07/2024 20:41

I would say going by the sport played everywhere in Ireland that I have lived that GAA is Irelands 'main sport'. Whether it's football or hurling would depend on where you live really.

I suppose because there’s little opposition.

Buddysbunda · 15/07/2024 20:41

Rainbowsponge · 15/07/2024 20:39

And England won the Rugby World Cup in 2003. Ireland have never won a knockout match in the rugby World Cup, but I thought it was their ‘main’ sport.

I would say going by the sport played everywhere in Ireland that I have lived that GAA is Irelands 'main sport'. Whether it's football or hurling would depend on where you live really.

Shaketherombooga · 15/07/2024 20:39

‘English people are not indignant that someone might not support their team. I mean, come on.’

Oh yes they are! Just read through the posts - still it’s heartening than only 30% have voted that you SHOULD have to support England if you live here 😅
Maybe Reform could add that to their mad manifesto for the next election, unless they’re planning on chucking all of us Johnny Foreigners out anyway 😀

OP posts:
Rainbowsponge · 15/07/2024 20:39

Rainbowsponge · 15/07/2024 20:37

Pretty sure our women’s team won the Euros in 2022!

And England won the Rugby World Cup in 2003. Ireland have never won a knockout match in the rugby World Cup, but I thought it was their ‘main’ sport.

Shaketherombooga · 15/07/2024 20:37

I don’t think anyone would be holding Ireland up as an example of footballing excellence. Still, better team spirit then any England men’s team - but you could say that about any team from Nigeria to Iceland.

OP posts:
Rainbowsponge · 15/07/2024 20:37

Shaketherombooga · 15/07/2024 20:35

Ouch 😂😂

Pretty sure our women’s team won the Euros in 2022!

Shaketherombooga · 15/07/2024 20:35

Liv999 · 15/07/2024 20:34

Well England have won exactly the same amount as Ireland have in the last 60 years, nothing 😂

Ouch 😂😂

OP posts:
Liv999 · 15/07/2024 20:34

Rainbowsponge · 15/07/2024 20:15

Well we wouldn’t watch Ireland for that, that’s for sure

Well England have won exactly the same amount as Ireland have in the last 60 years, nothing 😂

Buddysbunda · 15/07/2024 20:33

Rizzola95 · 15/07/2024 20:27

"I think a lot of this is 'wind them up and watch them go'. I'm in Ireland and a lot of people were supporting Spain but its not actually that deep, if England would have played well and won there would have a general consensus of fair play to them.

I think more people find it funny that it seems to annoy a lot of English people very much when they support anyone but England and that's where the fun actually lies - watching the indignation. It's a bit of a sport in itself, mean maybe but relations between the UK and Ireland haven't exactly been stellar lately so I can't see it changing any time soon"

I don't disagree with your first paragraph at all. The second one completely misses the point though @Buddysbunda. English people (at least none that I've encountered) are not indignant that someone might not support their team. I mean, come on. Be real. There are fans from all over the world, why would England fans expect support from other countries?
It's wearing being the subject of hate and it's nothing to do with football teams. It's just that during the big competitions football is used as a convenient excuse to express their hatred (and I'm not talking about people with genuine football rivalries or people complaining about the media before anyone decides to misinterpret that).

English people are not indignant that someone might not support their team. I mean, come on.

That's not what I said though, I said that they support anyone but England, there is a difference there between not supporting England and actively supporting who ever they are against.

As an English person in Ireland I can't say that I have received any hatred and like I said I don't think much is hatred here, its just fun and games. The over reaction of 'they all hate us' when Irish people are just chilling, taking the piss to wind people up is part of the indignant reaction that I spoke of.

Ploughlifht · 15/07/2024 20:29

Buddysbunda · 15/07/2024 20:27

Mate, your on a thread with 100s of replies from indignant people and it's not the first of these I've seen over the past few days. The OP wound everyone up and then watched them go. I'm not saying everyone sits around discussing it but if an Irish/Scottish/French/insert all of the other countries with beef against England gave a little poke like the OP has someone will bite. Of course 'Not All English people are like this' but there are plenty. Just like if you poke an Irish person in the right place you will get a reaction of sorts.

That's all part of the 'sport' giving the right poke at the right time.

But where are the indignant people? No one is wound up by op’s post, which is clearly made up for reactions anyway.

Rizzola95 · 15/07/2024 20:27

"I think a lot of this is 'wind them up and watch them go'. I'm in Ireland and a lot of people were supporting Spain but its not actually that deep, if England would have played well and won there would have a general consensus of fair play to them.

I think more people find it funny that it seems to annoy a lot of English people very much when they support anyone but England and that's where the fun actually lies - watching the indignation. It's a bit of a sport in itself, mean maybe but relations between the UK and Ireland haven't exactly been stellar lately so I can't see it changing any time soon"

I don't disagree with your first paragraph at all. The second one completely misses the point though @Buddysbunda. English people (at least none that I've encountered) are not indignant that someone might not support their team. I mean, come on. Be real. There are fans from all over the world, why would England fans expect support from other countries?
It's wearing being the subject of hate and it's nothing to do with football teams. It's just that during the big competitions football is used as a convenient excuse to express their hatred (and I'm not talking about people with genuine football rivalries or people complaining about the media before anyone decides to misinterpret that).

Buddysbunda · 15/07/2024 20:27

Goldenbear · 15/07/2024 20:11

The indignation is a fallacy though, seen as many people just don’t care as they have a diverse heritage with friends who are the same, it is ridiculous to make out they do care as much as you say they do. They are excited about getting through to the final of a major tournament as I am sure Irish fans would be if they did the same. I don’t think I’ve heard once anyone say in pubs when watching the football or friends barbecues watching the football, ‘is anyone really pissed off about the Irish winding us up about our quality of play or losing to the Spanish’; sorry but it doesn’t even feature on their radar. Maybe, in different circles or different parts of the country but I’m in the south east and it is not even mentioned.

Mate, your on a thread with 100s of replies from indignant people and it's not the first of these I've seen over the past few days. The OP wound everyone up and then watched them go. I'm not saying everyone sits around discussing it but if an Irish/Scottish/French/insert all of the other countries with beef against England gave a little poke like the OP has someone will bite. Of course 'Not All English people are like this' but there are plenty. Just like if you poke an Irish person in the right place you will get a reaction of sorts.

That's all part of the 'sport' giving the right poke at the right time.

Rainbowsponge · 15/07/2024 20:25

lolly792 · 15/07/2024 20:23

Dave has a lot to put up with! Grin

Dangerous Dave, the street fighting, dragon wrestling, ManU supporting, fry up eating, OP-tolerating hero! 🍳 🐉 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

lolly792 · 15/07/2024 20:23

(Or he would if he existed!)

lolly792 · 15/07/2024 20:23

Dave has a lot to put up with! Grin

Rainbowsponge · 15/07/2024 20:21

Rizzola95 · 15/07/2024 20:19

"As to the rest of our sins, they are indeed hideous, but it's pretty nasty to bring them up on a thread about football. Whatever makes you feel better though."

Just seen this little nugget. You're absolutely on the wind up.

I know 😂😂😂 they’re such whingers when you use their own tactics on them!

Rizzola95 · 15/07/2024 20:19

"As to the rest of our sins, they are indeed hideous, but it's pretty nasty to bring them up on a thread about football. Whatever makes you feel better though."

Just seen this little nugget. You're absolutely on the wind up.

WithACatLikeTread · 15/07/2024 20:18

Rainbowsponge · 15/07/2024 20:17

Well, this is it - OP is very happy to profit from a country built on things she apparently finds reprehensible. Worse than English people who live here because they have no choice in family ties!

Probably doesn't work.

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