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Work experience and DD with men

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22FrustatedUser · 15/07/2024 10:55

Sense check please.

DD is doing work experience, had to go for an interview for it several months ago, she was asked some very basic questions about them. All went well and work experience offered.

Office is small with 4 members of staff, sometimes volunteers in there as well (small charity) - only one woman.

H is very protective of DD and started to say he was uncomfortable with her being in an office with only men around and if any visits out, a woman has to be there and not alone on her own at any point with DD in the office. To the point he was going to cancel it all "work experience has no benefit and too risky."

I have spoken to staff there, and also school (school provided a list of local employers offering places) and asked if they were enhanced DBS'd - all staff are.

DD has texted this morning and very excited to be out on a site visit (animal conservation) tmw with two men, H is not happy and wants her home or only to attend if there is a female going.

If something goes wrong, he will blame me 100% for it.

AIBU in not being too bothered about this? They know she has her phone, there will be two adults out there and they do work experience placements each month with kids from 5 local high schools.

OP posts:
TherebytheGraceofGodgoI · 15/07/2024 16:00

Sounds like your DH is judging them by his own standards

LizFromMotherland · 15/07/2024 15:48

Eadfrith · 15/07/2024 13:24

We have a young son, and I’m all too aware of that sort of thing happening to boys too, but no I wouldn’t expect a father to be as protective of a teenage son to go on WE with men. I can understand the logic of being more protective of a daughter though given that it is definitely more of a problem with men preying on teenage females rather than teenage males. IDK, I don’t think her husband is hugely sexist. Maybe slightly over protective. But also with good reason.

Then you (or rather your attitude) is part of the problem.

It sounds like you wouldn't spot sexism if it punched you on the nose.

JudgeJ · 15/07/2024 15:44

peachesarenom · 15/07/2024 13:28

If he's concerned I think he should have a chat with her about what to do if her instincts are telling her someone is a creep.

She needs to learn how to try and keep herself safe rather than being stuck at home!

Edited

These conversations that schools have with their students before they go on WE, they're not just thrown out of the door with no preparations. Every student will have a number at school to phone if anything goes wrong or they feel uncomfortable, as well as their parents' numbers. Preparing for WE is a massive undertaking for schools.

greenpolarbear · 15/07/2024 15:37

SilenceInside · 15/07/2024 15:31

@greenpolarbear "Exactly, men are scared of HR departments and losing their job!" Well, as long as they aren't sleazy sexist harassers then they have absolutely nothing to worry about.

Yes exactly, shame there's nothing to hold them accountable outside of work.

Fantapops · 15/07/2024 15:35

Do you know what I think I'm against the grain a bit too. I've heard of too many instances where teenage girls volunteered at smaller charities led by men and experienced grooming - one of which a very good friend of mine. It's obviously not going to happen everywhere but male violence is rife and most women I know have experienced sexual harassment in some form from older men.

I don't think stopping her entirely is the answer but I do think a good chat about boundaries, potential dangers and safety is really really important.

Bananaadramaa · 15/07/2024 15:35

H needs professional help because he could affect DD’s life in the future. He sounds very controlling. Over protective is one thing, controlling and borderline creepy thoughts = therapy

Tiswa · 15/07/2024 15:31

But he is being very controlling and trying to say what she can and can’t do and is making a massive set of assumptions when doing risk assessments

she is 15, less than 3 years from being an adult and making her own choices - this is (as long as she herself is not uncomfortable) perfectly fine - and if there is something that isn’t right it is her instincts who should be followed and listened too

SilenceInside · 15/07/2024 15:31

@greenpolarbear "Exactly, men are scared of HR departments and losing their job!" Well, as long as they aren't sleazy sexist harassers then they have absolutely nothing to worry about.

Fantapops · 15/07/2024 15:30

DoYouSmokePaul · 15/07/2024 11:03

OK, he’s being ridiculous! Totally bizarre reaction. What if she had one on one music lessons with a male teacher? Or sports coach? He needs to calm down.

I would try and calmly talk sense into him. She’s growing up, doing new things, you have to cut the apron strings.

Edited

I don't know if this is overreacting but personally I'd never allow a teenage girl to have 1:1 lessons with a male music teacher or educational tutor in their home without someone else present. That's far too risky.

I feel like there's more nuance in OP's situation though.

Lovemusic82 · 15/07/2024 15:29

fishonabicycle · 15/07/2024 11:10

As you know, your husband is being ridiculous. And to be honest, I would be worried about his own attitude to young girls and women if he feels ALL men are perverts. People tend to be be suspicious of things they think/do themselves.

This.

He is judging all men by his own standards? I would be worried as to why he thinks all men are perverts and can’t be trusted around a young female in the work place doing work experience.

Despair1 · 15/07/2024 15:28

redalex261 · 15/07/2024 11:05

He needs to get over himself. Your daughter will have to sometimes be alone with males as she grows up and moves into work. These men have enhanced checks, which is more than will be in place anywhere else she may end up working. What does he anticipate happening? What happens if she gets a part time job in the holidays? Will she only be allowed to take shifts if there are other females on shift?

Unless there is some kind of mad back story to this he is being very unreasonable (and will be making her very afraid and suspicious of every male she encounters).

Sums up how I feel exactly!
Totally bizarre

greenpolarbear · 15/07/2024 15:25

ALovelyCupOfNameChange · 15/07/2024 12:34

I worked for years in a male dominated industry. I was alone with men often.

I learnt banter and how to communicate with men.

I have had some terrible experiences with men, none were work

Exactly, men are scared of HR departments and losing their job!

crumblingschools · 15/07/2024 15:02

@serialcatbuyer statistically you are more at risk from men you know rather than male strangers.

I am assuming if any members of staff had been sleazy/creepy in the past this would have been passed on from previous work experience students. Obviously, nothing is risk free, so DD can be briefed on what to do in various situations, which will come in useful wherever she is as she gains more independence.

FunIsland · 15/07/2024 14:56

I’d be absolutely fuming if DH behaved like your husband is behaving right now. What an absolute tool.

myvolvohasavulva · 15/07/2024 14:53

Is there any chance that it's coming from a more personal place? I actually was sexually assaulted on my school work experience placement and the thought of my daughters doing it next year and the year after makes me want to stop them but obviously I won't because they have the right to all of the experiences and I won't let what happened to me damage their lives.

Perhaps his reasons need to be explored more carefully? If he's otherwise rational (and not controlling) is it possible that there's a reason for this behavior and confronting that might perhaps make him aware of how unreasonable stopping her is.

murasaki · 15/07/2024 14:48

I did my work experience with an urban archeology team at just past 16, pre dbs, so was out on site with 4 men for two weeks. They were lovely (ok, they did take me to the pub, buy me cider and teach me to play pool) and they deposited me safely at the station every day to get home, and couldn't have been nicer. My school had no issues with it, apart from not being able to find me for the check up as we were in the pub.....

Sure, I may have been lucky, but he's being ridiculous here. Do they check in on work experience these days?

Oblomov24 · 15/07/2024 14:46

He is completely over-reacting. What a twat!

Lentilweaver · 15/07/2024 14:44

Seas164 · 15/07/2024 14:32

I'm not sure how this helps? Does DH have some kind of sixth sense for abusive men? Will he know from a distance, or will he have to come into the building with her and shake the colleagues hand in order to work it out and put DD back in the car? Will he give him a hard stare, or will his very manly presence indicate that DD is the property of another man so shoudn't be abused?

I'm pretty sure that at 15 DD should be in posession of the facts of life, as she's about to go out into it, and she needs to know how to handle herself, around men, and around women, and be able to recognise inappropriate behaviour. Unless he's planning on accompanying her everywhere to do a sniff test. Maybe he is.

Let's just say in my experience predators often more likely to go after girls that are isolated from family. And of course, he can't know for sure. She's still very young though.

Maddy70 · 15/07/2024 14:44

Jesus. Your DH is being very weird....

ricecrispiecakes · 15/07/2024 14:41

serialcatbuyer · 15/07/2024 13:08

I hate being alone with men I don't know. They can be sleazy.

Stop projecting your issues on other people and get yourself some therapy.

NormalerThanNormal · 15/07/2024 14:41

I hope your dd has a great experience and really enjoys it. This can lead to a great job in the future for her if that's what she wants to do and I wish her all the best. I hope her dad backs off as she'll end up resenting him for this behaviour if he keeps it up, it's not fair on you or your dd. He's clearly insecure about himself as that's how he would think or act around women. She's becoming a young woman and checks have been done on the people she'll be working with and she'll have her phone too so you've kept yourself right and your dd as safe as possible. I'm more wary of your H tbh. I really hope he puts his own ideology and unrealistic views to one side and for him to be a great supportive dad and husband that you both deserve and have yours and your daughter's backs. Trust your own instincts and stand your ground. Your daughter will learn true strength and success from you being by her side cheering her on and standing up for what you believe even when it's not easy. You've got this and so does she! Sending positivity, warmth and happiness your way ❤️🦋❤️🦋❤️

Bluebells81 · 15/07/2024 14:40

If the company is accepting children on work experience they should have a safe guarding policy in place. Have you asked - or has the school asked?

yikesanotherbooboo · 15/07/2024 14:35

DD needs to learn to manage her own safety with support from her parents rather that being treated as if she is a hopeless victim-to-be to be treated without respect by her own father never mind colleagues or mentors.I hope this isn't a sign of how he treats the family in general. You can be sure that this isn't really a 'being nice' type of overprotectiveness.

Seas164 · 15/07/2024 14:32

Lentilweaver · 15/07/2024 14:22

Definitely not rare, but it is a risk that has to be taken in the workplace. I think it's fine for dad to drop her off at WE once or twice.

I'm not sure how this helps? Does DH have some kind of sixth sense for abusive men? Will he know from a distance, or will he have to come into the building with her and shake the colleagues hand in order to work it out and put DD back in the car? Will he give him a hard stare, or will his very manly presence indicate that DD is the property of another man so shoudn't be abused?

I'm pretty sure that at 15 DD should be in posession of the facts of life, as she's about to go out into it, and she needs to know how to handle herself, around men, and around women, and be able to recognise inappropriate behaviour. Unless he's planning on accompanying her everywhere to do a sniff test. Maybe he is.

LessonsinChemistryandLove · 15/07/2024 14:32

Starlight1979 · 15/07/2024 14:26

Could he somehow 'introduce' himself during a drop off? So that it doesn't become a big deal, but he can see the set up for himself?

Oh god no please don't do this. How embarrassing for your DD. It's WORK experience. It's outside of school and meant to get teenagers ready for the working world. If he does this now then he's going to be doing it when she starts proper jobs at 16-17 and then probably won't stop...

Really struggling to understand what his problem is. He's a man isn't he? But he's saying all other men are predators? Just not him? Because the normal view is that most men AREN'T preying on 15 year old girls so why does he think differently?

Out of curiosity what sector does your DH work in?

I work in a massively male dominated environment and we've always had WE and apprentices here - male and female - and not once have we ever had an issue. Nor would it even cross our minds that anything like this would occur. The blokes here will always have a little joke / take the mickey out of the newbies but they know where to draw the line and ultimately always just take them under their wing and make sure they're ok. We've had some start who are so shy and quiet and then they end up being "one of the lads" by the time they're leaving and taking the piss out of the older blokes😂It does them the world of good to develop a thick skin and a healthy attitude to working alongside people of difference sexes, ages, ethnicities etc etc.

I don’t think dropping/collecting/introducing himself in a relaxed way is such a bad idea. I dropped my daughter off today and she already has a part time job. The fact is, she is 15 and that does make you vulnerable to a particular male, whether DBS checked or not!

The rest of your post has no relevance at all imo. If we did a thread now asking women to comment who had experienced inappropriate sexual behaviours from males in the workplace or any other “safe space”, it would be filled pretty quickly.

I do think the Dad is being OTT generally however, it’s illogical to suggest that this feeling is coming from nowhere at all.

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