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10% of income is fair ‘rent’

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Itisneverfair · 15/07/2024 10:21

Ds (23) lives at home and works part time. He has adhd and slight learning disabilities.

We have been charging him 10% of what he earns as ‘rent’ to try and get him used to paying his way etc as he struggles with managing money. He’s saying it’s not fair he pays it but he is angry about it every month.

AIBU to think that it’s an ok amount ?

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MaisieMacabe · 15/07/2024 20:33

Why do people compare it with renting somewhere "in the real world"? You're family, he's not a lodger. Surely you don't charge the market rate?
Well, obviously some people do, but I do not think it's the same. Landlords are doing it for profit.

TheThingIsYeah · 15/07/2024 20:33

Janiie · 15/07/2024 18:33

How much in savings does he have did he get a lump sum with his child trust fund because any '10%' taking from him could surely be added to that if it's been transferred to a saving account. Please tell me he got a CTF?

I think it's important to teach our kids how to save and budget for their future rather than grab a few quid toward the leccy bill that you'll be paying anyway.

CTF? Lol.

In 16 years, my kids ones grew from £250 to....wait for it....drumroll.....£275.

Createausername1970 · 15/07/2024 20:32

sparkellie · 15/07/2024 19:30

She doesn't take his pip, she is his appointee. That means she manages his money as he is unable to do so. Presumably part of the reason for getting him to pay a percentage of his earnings to household expenses is to begin to enable him to manage his own pip and finances in general. If he got his own pip he wouldn't understand the importance of budgeting and buying what he needed first, so could well end up spending all on a hobby and not buying food or paying bills. It's a process.

Or he has to pay for a PA to provide that type of support and help him manage his PIP.

I do a similar thing with my son's PIP. That doesn't go towards the household pot at all. That goes firstly into his savings, so it is out of his account and can't be spent on Monsters and Lego and Minecraft. Then we identify what the PIP needs to be spent on. He has regular appointments in London, and taxi and peak rail travel can be £100 plus.

Cityandmakeup · 15/07/2024 20:31

LadyGrinningSoul8517 · 15/07/2024 10:26

I'm always in the minority with this, but I just would never charge my kids rent.
It was my decision to have them, therefore I pick up the bill.

It just feels so incredibly grabby when I hear of parents charging their kids to live with them.

Did you plan on keeping them forever?

TheThingIsYeah · 15/07/2024 20:31

OP your son is absolutely right when he says it's unfair he pays you 10% rent

A fair amount would be 30%. That's probably not the suggestion he wants to hear, mind.

MaisieMacabe · 15/07/2024 20:30

x2boys · 15/07/2024 10:32

How does ,mummy secretly saving for them help someone learn how to mange their own money?

It doesn't. I've no idea why people do this.

ruethewhirl · 15/07/2024 20:28

I'm beginning to think the 'I could never CHARGE my child to live in their OWN HOME!' pearl-clutchers that always pop up on these threads are stealth-boasting just a tad. As in 'I can afford not to charge.' Either that or they haven't untied the apron strings yet.

Createausername1970 · 15/07/2024 20:21

Janiie · 15/07/2024 18:24

I would never charge a dc to live in their family home. Particularly one with disabilities who can only work part time Confused.

Any money that they can afford should be saved toward a rental deposit or a mortgage.

You are assuming that all of us have children that will be able to successfully live on their own.

Createausername1970 · 15/07/2024 20:18

10% is very reasonable. I do approx 30% - so a third to the housekeeping pot, third to save and a third for him. But with the caveat that he is probably about paying his way now, so any pay rise etc will just be split between savings and his spending money.

He is autistic and probably ADHD (on a waiting list) but actually he is very happy to pay, he feels good about being an adult and contributing. Plus we always told him that we were happy to support his hobbies etc when he was younger and not earning, but he would be expected to contribute to food and electricity/gas costs once he was earning. So it didn't come as a surprise.

There is a spreadsheet on the fridge of ALL our outgoings, food, council tax, mortgage, water, electric, gas, phones, prescriptions, everything. It was a bit of eye watering to me when I did it, but he can clearly see what we pay out every month.

timetobegin · 15/07/2024 20:18

@Janiie if you put pip in a savings account who is going to pay for the extra costs incurred for his disability?

ElecticBetty · 15/07/2024 20:15

Can you agree with him to put some finances forward to an accountant type meeting, someone specialising in this sort of scenario.

agree the advice will be independent, you can be there and go over his finances etc together

perhaps if he hears from someone independent he will accept it. And you can have a follow up appointment to discuss wills or trusts or anything necessary

Nottherealslimshady · 15/07/2024 20:11

Janiie · 15/07/2024 20:00

Why didn't you add to it? You want to show him the value of money by taking his PIP and 10% of his parttime earnings but didn't think to teach him the value of money by having any savings for him? Yes granny did but what about you?

Better late than never but put his pip into a savings account along with this 10% you think he should give you so he can infact afford to move out one day.

So your plan for him to learn the value of money is for OP to cover all of his expenses, and give him more money for savings, during a cost of living crisis. That's going to treat a working adult the value of money?

x2boys · 15/07/2024 20:10

Janiie · 15/07/2024 20:00

Why didn't you add to it? You want to show him the value of money by taking his PIP and 10% of his parttime earnings but didn't think to teach him the value of money by having any savings for him? Yes granny did but what about you?

Better late than never but put his pip into a savings account along with this 10% you think he should give you so he can infact afford to move out one day.

What is your dont understand that different people have different finances?

Itisneverfair · 15/07/2024 20:09

Janiie · 15/07/2024 20:00

Why didn't you add to it? You want to show him the value of money by taking his PIP and 10% of his parttime earnings but didn't think to teach him the value of money by having any savings for him? Yes granny did but what about you?

Better late than never but put his pip into a savings account along with this 10% you think he should give you so he can infact afford to move out one day.

My parents set it up and they put a very small
amount in we were going to but ended up not as things were difficult financially so it wasn’t much . We didn’t add to dd investment/ government one either she just had additional amounts paid in as had dla (I can’t remember how much they paid in but I’m sure she had one or two extra payments ?)

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Nottherealslimshady · 15/07/2024 20:08

Sit down and show him how much it costs you to house him. The energy bills, minus the standard charge, a third. How much less a house would cost to rent with one less bedroom. A third of your grocery costs. He obviously pays you substantially less than he costs. Adults pay their way, he's not a child, so he pays his way.

S0livagant · 15/07/2024 20:08

Janiie · 15/07/2024 20:00

Why didn't you add to it? You want to show him the value of money by taking his PIP and 10% of his parttime earnings but didn't think to teach him the value of money by having any savings for him? Yes granny did but what about you?

Better late than never but put his pip into a savings account along with this 10% you think he should give you so he can infact afford to move out one day.

PIP is for his expenses he has now. He has 90% of his income available to save to move out one day. He is just wasting this on takeaways as he isn't able to manage money yet.

OnAndOnAndonAgain · 15/07/2024 20:04

Janiie · 15/07/2024 20:00

Why didn't you add to it? You want to show him the value of money by taking his PIP and 10% of his parttime earnings but didn't think to teach him the value of money by having any savings for him? Yes granny did but what about you?

Better late than never but put his pip into a savings account along with this 10% you think he should give you so he can infact afford to move out one day.

Why is it so hard for you to understand that some people can't afford to add to it, or cover their adult children's expenses 🙄

Janiie · 15/07/2024 20:00

Itisneverfair · 15/07/2024 19:44

Nothing. His CTF was a tiny amount as we never added to it and he wasn’t getting dla as a child so didn’t get the higher rate and it was spent

Why didn't you add to it? You want to show him the value of money by taking his PIP and 10% of his parttime earnings but didn't think to teach him the value of money by having any savings for him? Yes granny did but what about you?

Better late than never but put his pip into a savings account along with this 10% you think he should give you so he can infact afford to move out one day.

StMarieforme · 15/07/2024 19:57

LadyGrinningSoul8517 · 15/07/2024 10:26

I'm always in the minority with this, but I just would never charge my kids rent.
It was my decision to have them, therefore I pick up the bill.

It just feels so incredibly grabby when I hear of parents charging their kids to live with them.

No grabby at all. It's a life lesson which is part of parenting. They need to pay their way. Or they become the sort of partners who don't want to 'share' their money with their other half.
Plus some parents need it.

Itisneverfair · 15/07/2024 19:56

If he upped his work hours we might ask for more but he’s not ready to do that at the moment

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Daisymay2 · 15/07/2024 19:55

We charged ds1 10% of his take home pay initially, on the understanding he was saving for a mortgage. He’d finished Uni and took a training post. When his younger DB started an MA which we supported him through, we told him to stop paying.

madameparis · 15/07/2024 19:55

Itisneverfair · 15/07/2024 10:27

Yes but he just looks at me and says ‘but that’s not relevant as I live at home ?’ He cannot understand why I’m even making the comparison so it’s really hard as his level of understanding isn’t great for things he hasn’t experienced himself he can’t have the thought process of ‘what if’ so it’s really frustrating.

We just want to try and help him learn about money , have been taking him shopping with a budget as well to try and help with managing money but it’s really proving difficult

Make it really clear.

“You have two options. 1- if you chose to live here then you contribute 10% of your earnings into the costs of running this house you chose to live in. 2- the other option is you find somewhere else to live and you fund it entirely yourself.”

Itisneverfair · 15/07/2024 19:54

We are in control of the PIP to protect it for him not to take it and make sure it’s used for the right reasons

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Itisneverfair · 15/07/2024 19:52

OnAndOnAndonAgain · 15/07/2024 19:50

Ctf was for children born from the end of 2002 so he probably wasn't eligible

My parents set him up a child trust fund (or similar at the time . My dd got the investment government ctf but she got extra paid in due to being on dla as has CP) ds just had the family one and he was given all the money when it matured and spent it all

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Comefromaway · 15/07/2024 19:50

Pip is not meant to be saved. It’s meant to cover the extra costs involved in helping a person with a disability to become more independent. So things like taxi fayres to appointments and similar things OP has mentioned.