To feel really gutted for England tonight?

You are totally him, he says the exact same!

😂Glad I don't seem to be the only one who thinks so!

I don't want Southgate to go, but I want the team to play more attacking football and Kane to be dropped when he's not fit!

They played like crap, in fact they got lucky the rest of the tournament and the one decent match we had was against the Netherlands.

There was little to no defending last night, Walker needs to put the same effort into chasing a ball as he does into two timing his wife and spawning illegitimate children, Foden needs his eyes testing, Kane is past it and Southgate needs to go. Stones I fail to see why he was there, same as Alexander Arnold at the start. Grealish not being called on because Maguire was injured was a huge error. Watkins and Palmer should not have come on so late.

Southgate but he's done what every other manager does, in that he has a pet fave who he carries on playing once their international glory days are over. It was the same with Shearer, Beckham, Owen, and Rooney before. All got crap but carried on being called up.

Spain had good young players who didn't bother with set pieces, they played decisive football and went for it.

We didn't deserve to be there last night and they outplayed us with ease.

And yes, I support England but as a supporter, we have to admit we were crap.

The disappointing truth is that England simply don't measure up on the international stage against teams like Spain (and in general, not this particular tournament) Germany and Italy.

When you think of the obscene sums of money sunk into this sport, mostly to the exclusion of others, you do have to wonder if our national preoccupation is worth the cost. Thousands of £s a week for kicking a bag of air around?

I feel for Southgate and the England squad, but not a particular complement of their fans who 'celebrated' the Lionesses' success by making repulsively misogynistic comments about the team and women in general. And this says a great deal about the culture surrounding men's football, IMO.

Now, the Lionesses are an international football team I can really get behind.

Southgate won't be sacked. But he's been doing the job a long time and it is likely he'll step away after this one so it felt like his last chance.

There's been remarkably little talk of him being sacked over his tenure. His track record speaks for itself and consistency has reaped rewards (just not the big one unfortunately).

The idea that coming second is brilliant is exactly why we never win 🙄

It’s the hope it’s a killer

the cohesion wasn't there.

The cohesion never seems to be there. Why? That’s the question…It’s always down to individuals. Does the England team not train together as much as the more successful teams?

Well, it's that attitude right there tbh! I doubt you're truly hated by most people. Most people are more bothered with their own teams. The press is major bugbear here when it comes to England, rather than the teams. And the 'it's coming home' shite.

As someone who hasn't missed a Euros or WC since Italia '90 (apart from that game against Holland in' 96 when we won 4-1 & I was in a pub having dinner with my nan in a different room) I don't want Southgate to leave. Every tournament is the same & it's the Press & the pressure that causes the most problems imo.

National teams in other countries are treated like heroes from the get-go.

Another aspect is that we are truly hated by everyone else & I have never understood why cos no English team has ever been arrogant or agressive. We dive & whine FAR less than virtually every other country (Italy, Spain & Portugal I'm looking at you! Not to mention the South American teams), players rarely lash out & we generally have a good attitude. Even down to the whoever the coach is at the time.

Some of our fans... Well.. It doesn't help 😬

I think that combination of our press & others attitude towards us is too much & often our undoing 🤷🏼‍♀️.

This tournament was uninspiring for us, the cohesion wasn't there. Although the journey was theoretically easy they were all teams who play in a way we've ALWAYS struggled with, never found easy though on paper we should.

End of the day - Spain were better for the entire tournament & better on the night. We didn't get trounced, our goal was from open play & not a pen or a set-piece. Decisions went both ways, we weren't robbed & had Spain lost to the team who only had 30% possession that would have been tragic & unfair.

Hence why i used the word "relative" which you appear to have missed....

Hardly anyone plays Cricket or Rugby (to a decent level) and we regularly win major trophies in these sports.

Spain has won the Euros 5x, Germany 4x times, european countries have multiple WC's between them, all in the modern era, we have none.

England is a major football nation, with one of the richest leagues in the world, we have a large population and football is our no1 sport, yet we do not win finals, this is something we should be ashamed of, not be proud of.

Professional sport is about winning, its not about coming 2nd, might as well go out in the qualifiers.

England has a population of 56 million… that’s not small. England may be quite small geographically, but it’s densely populated.

Of all the European countries, only Germany, France and Italy have a larger population than England (83M, 64M, 59M, respectively).

I have read / heard in the media that Harry Kane caused Tottenham to feel disconnected as a team as well. So maybe there’s some truth to that after all. Not good for a Captain!

Anyway! Here’s to next time 🥂

Completely agree with this - some of our plays just aren't good enough and Southgate needs to stop playing them

Also think it's time for Gary Linekar to go.

I was watching BBC coverage, but didn’t see anything amiss. What did Lineker do?

I didn't see any Lineker at all, what's the story there?

Yes I feel terribly sorry for them especially Gareth and Harry Kane as it's likely the younger ones will get other chances.
Also think it's time for Gary Linekar to go.

Absolutely. They've had it for quite a while. I think Messi was brought over to Barcelona very young.

Let’s take comfort in the fact that England won the Euros in 2022

I agree OP. We have many talented individual players but not the flair of a team. Spain's set pieces were outstanding and some of their players - Nico Williams being one looked totally unfazed by our team.

They did well but need to lighten up. Jordan Pickford is the only team member who looks like he is enjoying the match and he is probably the main reason we have got as far as we have.

If Southgate stays he needs to build a team not a collection of amazing players. The Spanish team didn't even play their best game last night.

That being said we came second which is brilliant! Well done to all our team and Palmer, Shaw and Rice were exceptional.

Far too much hype for the England team in every tournament. Every radio station playing that stupid 'it's coming home' song, living on past glories, the players have a huge amount of pressure because they're all individually good and paid X million per year so therefore that should translate to a winning team etc.

I watched every game and they just don't attack enough. Too much faffing around passing the ball back to the goalkeeper and looking for the perfect opportunity to score rather than just going for it and attempting to create chances. We have a defensive style of play in the main and it doesn't work well!

I think we were very fortunate to have got so far tbh and if we had been on the other side of the draw I doubt we would have progressed very far.

The best team won last night and that's all there is to it