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To feel really gutted for England tonight?

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Acapulco12 · 15/07/2024 01:28

This Euros tournament has been quite a crazy ride for England and it’s a tournament I’d rather forget (partly because of the way that Gareth Southgate and the team have been treated by the British press and their own fans).

I think that whilst the team has loads of fantastic world-class players, they haven’t consistently played well as a team, either in the run-up (e.g. in the Iceland or Bosnia games) or in the tournament itself.

I really feel that the team only managed to get through to the final because of moments of individual brilliance (Jude Bellingham’s goal, Ollie Watkins’ goal, Pickford’s absolutely top-notch goalkeeping).

I’m also quite disappointed with elements of Gareth Southgate’s management even though I still really admire his leadership style, his achievements as England manager and his attitude. Southgate has - undeniably - produced consistently excellent results with this team, but they haven’t yet won anything with him, and ultimately they will be judged on winning. They have got close to winning on two occasions now with him, and he and they obviously care for and respect each other, but I don’t think that’s enough anymore (feels harsh to write that).

I think it’s time for the team to find a new manager and go in a new direction, but equally I think it will take time for a new manager to find their feet with England and I worry that the new manager will not be able to create the same sort of culture that Southgate did, which I think really helped to shape this current team and make them so successful.

I know that there can only be one winner in the Euros - just like in any sports competition - but I just really feel for the England players. I’ve followed them for a few years now, they come across as a really nice team and I feel really sorry that it didn’t work out for them tonight.

Focussing on the final tonight, Spain were clearly the better team tonight - and throughout the Euros. Having said that, I do feel quite sad that the England players couldn’t achieve the win they wanted. They obviously really really wanted to win, and I think the team’s performance has overshadowed the individual achievements and excellence of the England players that I mentioned earlier in the post.

I know there will be many more tournaments to come, probably for most players in the team as most of them are still very young and are full of potential, but they had so much expectation riding on them and they came pretty close to winning, having got to the final.

They should feel really proud of themselves for getting to the final and coming close to winning, but I know that they would rather have won than been runners up.

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stuckdownahole · 16/07/2024 12:22

We've seen top level clubs where the manager gets sacked because a cabal of players want him to leave, as ultimately the manager is more replaceable than a star player and they know it.

International football is that, but in an environment where your whole squad is composed of star players.

Gareth Southgate has done superbly well to reset the culture of the England team and the improved results show this. However, as you can see on this thread, plenty of his critics won't recognise that finishing second is better than finishing eighth.

the80sweregreat · 16/07/2024 11:53

The new manager has my sympathies really
It's always been a poisoned chalice and the old ' armchair critics' can always do a better job too.

Cheeseandpickleroll · 16/07/2024 11:41

I'm sad he's resigned but hope the next manager doesn't ruin the work he's started.

urbanbuddha · 16/07/2024 11:22

Yes, that is sad. He did a great job and when the dust has settled I’m sure that’s how he’ll be remembered.

Acapulco12 · 16/07/2024 11:18

Gareth Southgate has just resigned 💔 I had a feeling he might but I’m still sad about it. I’m hoping that his achievements and legacy aren’t wasted and can be built on by whoever replaces him. I also hope he’s proud of what he’s achieved with the team - he’s done an incredible job.

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Acapulco12 · 16/07/2024 10:47

Projectme · 16/07/2024 06:08

Harry Maguire

Ah of course haha.

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Acapulco12 · 16/07/2024 10:46

urbanbuddha · 16/07/2024 10:22

I would LOVE it if they could get Klopp as manager. Fingers crossed 😍😍😍

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Projectme · 16/07/2024 06:08

Acapulco12 · 15/07/2024 21:43

Who’s slab head? 😂😂

Harry Maguire

Acapulco12 · 15/07/2024 23:30

nildesparandum · 15/07/2024 23:15

I felt really sorry for Gareh Southgate last night

So did I. It’s not going to be easy for him to process the loss last night and he also has to make a big decision soon on whether to stay as England manager. I wish him all the best for making the decision that feels right for him and for whatever he decides to do now.

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Kriscross · 15/07/2024 23:30

Shoxfordian · 15/07/2024 15:32

Its definitely part of the psychology of it, we like an underdog, and we still say we're proud of footballers even when they don't win - other countries don't celebrate losers like we do

I think hearing the criticism of the English team throughout the tournament it's hard to say we love a loser

nildesparandum · 15/07/2024 23:15

I felt really sorry for Gareh Southgate last night

Charlie2121 · 15/07/2024 22:49

Just back from Berlin. Great trip, best team won.

Having lived through periods when we didn’t even qualify for some World Cups and European Championships I can’t get too upset at reaching consecutive Euro finals.

friendlycat · 15/07/2024 22:27

I was gutted but am used to that feeling having watched England play since the mid 1980s.

I think Southgate has achieved a lot and lifted our international team out of the doldrums that were apparent before his tenure. But he’s taken them as far as he can and 8 years is a long time as the head coach of an international squad.

His tactics are too defensive and deep and at international level you don’t win trophies on playing a defensive game. You have to constantly attack, run forward with the ball and cause problems for the opposition.

We got lucky breaks and moments of brilliance that led us to the final but Spain deserved to win.

I think Southgate will resign and think it’s time for someone else to build upon what he has achieved. But winners win the silverware and sadly he didn’t achieve that. I’m sad he didn’t. But these other countries win Euros and World Cups. We can’t just celebrate being in 2 finals. You actually have to win the game. He knows this and said prior to the tournament that we had to win for him to stay.

His legacy will still stand and he will be remembered for what he’s accomplished with the team. He will always command respect for that, but on a world or European stage you do have to win in the final as we did 58 years ago.

JackGrealishsCalves · 15/07/2024 22:19

SwanSong1 · 15/07/2024 07:55

Well truth is England missed Kalvin Phillips in midfield. Without him they are shocking. Poor Declan was having huge battles in midfield and no one was helping him. At least Kalvin and Declan work well together in midfield and stop a lot of balls getting past.

I think Phil Foden and Harry Kane were invisible. Very overrated. Still at least our Lionesses can actually do the job properly.

Sorry l, as much as I love Kalvin as a person, he has barely played for 3 years.
On loan at WHU he was not good, looked terrified everytime the ball was passed to him and was too slow and was subsequently dispossessed

LetsGoFlyAKiteee · 15/07/2024 22:01

Agree with what's been said in this. Impressive what Spain did. Just kind of annoyint how when Rodri went off it looked like could be a sign that England had a better chance and then minutes later not the case

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cv2gvreml2ko

Be intresting to see what he or the FA do now..dont think he'll be sacked by maybe walk and feel.hes taken them as far as feels he can who knows..

Acapulco12 · 15/07/2024 21:43

davegrohll · 15/07/2024 20:32

We were missing slab head and grealish definitely!!

Who’s slab head? 😂😂

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davegrohll · 15/07/2024 20:32

We were missing slab head and grealish definitely!!

KnickerlessParsons · 15/07/2024 20:02

moonshinepoursthroughmywindow · 15/07/2024 18:45

I think Southgate should carry on (although obviously I don't think he should be forced to carry on if he doesn't want to). The team are not bad at all. They're the only team to make into the finals two tournaments in a row, they're officially the second-best in the whole of Europe, and that includes not only the countries we saw in the televised part of the tournament but all the countries that didn't even qualify. Lots of other teams have never even come close to winning anything. Most of the players seem good enough - I agree Kane and Walker seem tired/off form or something, and only time will tell whether they just need a good rest or whether they're completely past their best now. Pickford, Stones, Shaw and Saka played well and definitely need to stay in the team, and we need to see more of Watkins and Palmer.

I do dislike the attitude from some fans and journalists that if you don't win the whole tournament, you have "failed." Why can't we just celebrate what they did achieve? Plenty of countries would have been thrilled to get that far.

Exactly. The hype is ridiculous. They were second. Second is the next best to first.
I find it prideful to the other teams to show so much angst about becoming second. Like you say, there are teams that would give their eye tooth just to get into the tournament, let alone free to the final.

moonshinepoursthroughmywindow · 15/07/2024 18:45

I think Southgate should carry on (although obviously I don't think he should be forced to carry on if he doesn't want to). The team are not bad at all. They're the only team to make into the finals two tournaments in a row, they're officially the second-best in the whole of Europe, and that includes not only the countries we saw in the televised part of the tournament but all the countries that didn't even qualify. Lots of other teams have never even come close to winning anything. Most of the players seem good enough - I agree Kane and Walker seem tired/off form or something, and only time will tell whether they just need a good rest or whether they're completely past their best now. Pickford, Stones, Shaw and Saka played well and definitely need to stay in the team, and we need to see more of Watkins and Palmer.

I do dislike the attitude from some fans and journalists that if you don't win the whole tournament, you have "failed." Why can't we just celebrate what they did achieve? Plenty of countries would have been thrilled to get that far.

Shoxfordian · 15/07/2024 17:20

😂 Fair enough

DanielGault · 15/07/2024 17:08

Shoxfordian · 15/07/2024 16:46

It's anyone's to win, just we never do 🙄

Come to Ireland, enjoy never even qualifying 😂

Noraise · 15/07/2024 17:06

Mymanyellow · 15/07/2024 14:20

24

My mistake! Thank you 🙃

Shoxfordian · 15/07/2024 16:46

It's anyone's to win, just we never do 🙄

Projectme · 15/07/2024 16:46

LoudSnoringDog · 15/07/2024 07:07

Agree Southgate shouldn't be sacked.

He needs to stop with the loyalty to players like Kane, Walker etc. utter dross to watch.

If putting the likes of palmer, Watkins and Toney on and the game accelerates then start those players!!

Agree!

Kane needs to retire from international football...walker and trippier; they're nearing the end of their international career too.

I love GS. The most successful manager of the England team for years but his loyalty to Kane is ridiculous. So many younger players that play harder and better than Kane but GS doesn't seem to have the confidence to play them from the start. He keeps putting on Kane like a pair of old slippers. 🤣