Page 13 | Why doesn't England have a National Anthem?

itwontletmechoose · 2024-07-14T18:59:08+00:00

It's frustrating to hear them sing the 'God Save the King' *British* national anthem. Why doesn't England have its own national anthem instead of singing one which covers all of the union (in theory)?

ClevererThanMost · 14/07/2024 20:59

Euridicefortuna · 14/07/2024 20:50

England does need it's own anthem and parliament,just like the other Countries in the union.

You’ve pretty much got your own parliament?

Regalia · 14/07/2024 20:59

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About imminent death, decay and all non-divine helpers failing? Sure. A cheery little ditty.

FretfulPorpentine · 14/07/2024 20:58

LuluBlakey1 · 14/07/2024 20:49

I like 'I Vow To Thee My Country'. It would be a good national anthem for England.

I don't really care about anthems, but 'I Vow to Thee...' is a terrible song.

Nice tune though.

Buzzer3555 · 14/07/2024 20:57

Needmorelego · 14/07/2024 20:11

At least we were singing - unlike that Spanish lot 🤣
(does the Spanish anthem not have words?)

No the Spanish national anthem does not have words

BESTAUNTB · 14/07/2024 20:57

It’s an odd union. It seems like four separate countries to me (an outsider) with different personalities. I’m surprised that England doesn’t have its own anthem. But it’s nothing to do with me!

Munter · 14/07/2024 20:56

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Bazinga007 · 14/07/2024 20:56

We so really need to change ours, it is so dreary. Also as an atheist and being anti monarchy it isn't relevant to me.

Regalia · 14/07/2024 20:56

SmellsLikeMiddleAgeSpirit · 14/07/2024 20:04

Well there’s a (now unsung) verse in GSTK about crushing rebellious Scots, so yeah, it’s very English and Scots don’t want it. Unsurprising they adopted their own.

This.

Twodozenroses · 14/07/2024 20:56

Livelovebehappy · 14/07/2024 20:34

I think we should. It’s not fair for example to sing something tonight which encompasses England, Scotland, Wales, NI, when in fact it’s just the English team that got us there. It somehow feels the others have jumped on our coat-tails….

many welsh (and I’m guessing Scottish and NI athletes) very much begrudge having GSTK played to represent them in British sports when it’s Englands anthem. So it works both ways

as a welsh person, I really don’t think I’ve jumped on your coat tails 😂

Devonbabs · 14/07/2024 20:56

Can people please stop called for “Jerusalem” to be Englands national anthem. It has nothing to do with nationalism - it’s an inner/spiritual journey. It’s about Revolution to prioritise imagination and creativity. Even Parry got embarrassed enough to give it away.

The misuse of Blake’s words is an abomination!

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Livelovebehappy · 14/07/2024 20:55

Cinocino · 14/07/2024 20:38

@Livelovebehappy I think we should. It’s not fair for example to sing something tonight which encompasses England, Scotland, Wales, NI, when in fact it’s just the English team that got us there. It somehow feels the others have jumped on our coat-tails….

Lol.
Tell that to every Irish or Scottish athlete or actor who gets called British or English as soon as they are successful.

Agree. It bugs me whichever way round it is. For example the Andy Murray situation. He was born in Scotland and lived in England, but whilst the media always tried to put the British label on him, I always felt he was Scottish, so never got excited when he used to do well in a tennis, because the lines were too blurred. Still happy he did well, but just never felt it was an ‘English’ win.

IgnoranceNotOk · 14/07/2024 20:54

Yeah we do need one that’s not GSTK!

I grew up thinking the Match Of the Day theme tune was our national anthem so you can imagine what I heard all the time!

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Devonbabs · 14/07/2024 20:52

ClevererThanMost · 14/07/2024 20:11

Just confirmed with my Welsh teenage daughter that she doesn’t know GSTK. I consider that parenting done right.

why do you think your child not knowing the national anthem is “parenting done right”?

Itsallfunngamesuntil · 14/07/2024 20:52

PopcornAndGummyBears · 14/07/2024 20:47

you got there before me @Itsallfunngamesuntil . FWIW @Cinocino the significant proportion of N.Irish people who identify as Unionists consider themselves BRITISH - NOT ENGLISH. In case you weren’t aware ENGLISH does not equal BRITISH (and I say that as someone who identifies with the other side here in NI, but unlike you actually has respect for other people)

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Thank you.

Some people simply do not understand the situation in NI

soundsys · 14/07/2024 20:51

SmellsLikeMiddleAgeSpirit · 14/07/2024 20:04

Well there’s a (now unsung) verse in GSTK about crushing rebellious Scots, so yeah, it’s very English and Scots don’t want it. Unsurprising they adopted their own.

Ha yep the English can have God Save the King to be honest!

Think Jerusalem would be better though, but more rousing!

Euridicefortuna · 14/07/2024 20:50

England does need it's own anthem and parliament,just like the other Countries in the union.

ClevererThanMost · 14/07/2024 20:50

Livelovebehappy · 14/07/2024 20:34

I think we should. It’s not fair for example to sing something tonight which encompasses England, Scotland, Wales, NI, when in fact it’s just the English team that got us there. It somehow feels the others have jumped on our coat-tails….

As none of the others recognise it as their anthem, you are rather reaching. Most of us don’t want any association with England!

LuluBlakey1 · 14/07/2024 20:49

I like 'I Vow To Thee My Country'. It would be a good national anthem for England.

Cinocino · 14/07/2024 20:47

Itsallfunngamesuntil · 14/07/2024 20:42

That is an especially ignorant comment regarding Northern Ireland. The NI national anthem is God save the King.....a large portion of NI volunteered to fight in British wars ie there was no subscription

A large proportion of Northern Ireland is Unionist, and sees themselves as British and supports God Save the King. Are you suggesting that all of them are fanatics?

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Not ignorant at all.
Yes I would call the people who sing God Save their bonfires exactly that, fanatics.

‘a large portion of NI volunteered to fight in British wars ie there was no subscription’

This is not representative of the demographic of NI today.

‘A large proportion of Northern Ireland is Unionist’
Debatably not the largest given the makeup of the Assembly.

PopcornAndGummyBears · 14/07/2024 20:47

Itsallfunngamesuntil · 14/07/2024 20:42

That is an especially ignorant comment regarding Northern Ireland. The NI national anthem is God save the King.....a large portion of NI volunteered to fight in British wars ie there was no subscription

A large proportion of Northern Ireland is Unionist, and sees themselves as British and supports God Save the King. Are you suggesting that all of them are fanatics?

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you got there before me @Itsallfunngamesuntil . FWIW @Cinocino the significant proportion of N.Irish people who identify as Unionists consider themselves BRITISH - NOT ENGLISH. In case you weren’t aware ENGLISH does not equal BRITISH (and I say that as someone who identifies with the other side here in NI, but unlike you actually has respect for other people)

CommeUneVacheEspagnole · 14/07/2024 20:47

Land of hope and glory is a beautiful song that brings a patriotic tear to my unpatriotic eye. But it's problematic so we can't have it, I imagine. I agree with @PuppyMonkey Make it vindaloo and be done with it.

Needmorelego · 14/07/2024 20:46

Ok I will let the Spanish off for not singing 😂

Putting · 14/07/2024 20:44

As long as it’s not Jerusalem I don’t care. Awful song.