Page 12 | Why doesn't England have a National Anthem?

itwontletmechoose · 2024-07-14T18:59:08+00:00

It's frustrating to hear them sing the 'God Save the King' *British* national anthem. Why doesn't England have its own national anthem instead of singing one which covers all of the union (in theory)?

GeminiGiggles · 14/07/2024 21:15

Surely if we win the national anthem will end being "We Are The Champions"

So many great Queen songs being suggested as a national anthem and I love it 🤣

ClevererThanMost · 14/07/2024 21:14

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I’m think we are allowed to. We exercise our right not to.

ClevererThanMost · 14/07/2024 21:14

Euridicefortuna · 14/07/2024 21:11

Mp representing England do not legislate on issues involving the other Countries but they can on issues that affect England only.So no we don't really have our own parliament.

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England has 80+% of the MPs and absolutely legislates on UK/England and Wales issues. What purpose would having another layer of government be to you? We voted to have our own, via devolution because having only 30 representatives in the HoC meant Wales’ needs weren’t met. England feathers its nest in the current system just fine.

CommeUneVacheEspagnole · 14/07/2024 21:14

Regalia · 14/07/2024 21:01

Oh, can I ask a question (as a non-Brit) to all those of you who sing ‘God Save the King’? How long did it take you to remember to sing ‘King’ rather than ‘Queen’, and are some people still forgetting? Every time I’ve seen the England team singing the anthem, I’ve mentally gone ‘Oh, forgot QE2 is no more ’…

I imagine it will be just in time for the next king...

But then that's only in my head. I don't think I've sung the words since primary/ever.

Xtraincome · 14/07/2024 21:13

Tubthumping by Chumbawumba should be the anthem tbh.

Munter · 14/07/2024 21:13

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Euridicefortuna · 14/07/2024 21:11

ClevererThanMost · 14/07/2024 20:59

You’ve pretty much got your own parliament?

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Mp representing England do not legislate on issues involving the other Countries but they can on issues that affect England only.So no we don't really have our own parliament.

Itsallfunngamesuntil · 14/07/2024 21:10

Cinocino · 14/07/2024 20:59

Very much understand it and very much live it.
How anyone can take issue with me saying there are fanatics in NI is beyond me. It wouldn’t have any issues if there weren’t fanatics.

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You said this....

Isn’t God Save essentially the English national anthem though? It’s not exactly popular in Scotland, Wales or NI (other than the fanatics no one cares about who think they are more English than the English).

Your post is therefore not clear. I think it insinuates that all who sing GSTK are fanatics???? Is that what you are suggesting ?

I never ever suggested there were no fanatics if you read my posts. Every society has fanatics.

Regalia · 14/07/2024 21:08

Putting · 14/07/2024 21:03

There was definitely a period of “God Save the Quing”. Not sure if that’s still the case - I suspect most Britons don’t really sing it very often anyway (can’t actually remember the last time I did)

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😀😀 Yes, I was wondering about whether in fact many of you were celebrating the rule of a gracious Quing for a while.

SerafinasGoose · 14/07/2024 21:04

ClevererThanMost · 14/07/2024 20:11

Just confirmed with my Welsh teenage daughter that she doesn’t know GSTK. I consider that parenting done right.

Amen. DC informed me only the other week that the head teacher got arsey with the kids because not all of them knew all the words to the National Anthem.

As far as I'm concerned DC never has to sing it again.

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itwontletmechoose · 14/07/2024 21:04

Yep as a Welsh atheist republican maybe it's not the English singing it that bothers me then, but everything else about it 😬

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Devonbabs · 14/07/2024 21:03

Tulipvase · 14/07/2024 20:59

My dad would have loved you!

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Ooh why ???

Putting · 14/07/2024 21:03

Regalia · 14/07/2024 21:01

Oh, can I ask a question (as a non-Brit) to all those of you who sing ‘God Save the King’? How long did it take you to remember to sing ‘King’ rather than ‘Queen’, and are some people still forgetting? Every time I’ve seen the England team singing the anthem, I’ve mentally gone ‘Oh, forgot QE2 is no more ’…

There was definitely a period of “God Save the Quing”. Not sure if that’s still the case - I suspect most Britons don’t really sing it very often anyway (can’t actually remember the last time I did)

DogInATent · 14/07/2024 21:03

Regalia · 14/07/2024 21:01

Oh, can I ask a question (as a non-Brit) to all those of you who sing ‘God Save the King’? How long did it take you to remember to sing ‘King’ rather than ‘Queen’, and are some people still forgetting? Every time I’ve seen the England team singing the anthem, I’ve mentally gone ‘Oh, forgot QE2 is no more ’…

It's not half as confusing as trying to remember that the Prince of Wales isn't Chuckles.

ClevererThanMost · 14/07/2024 21:02

Devonbabs · 14/07/2024 20:52

why do you think your child not knowing the national anthem is “parenting done right”?

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She knows her national anthem.

And Michael Sheen is the true Prince of Wales.

We don’t do god or monarchy in this house so the only bit of GSTK you’d get here is “save”. 😂😂

MrJollyLivesNextDoor · 14/07/2024 21:02

What about Praise the Lord! Ye Heavens, adore him

It's got a catchy tune

Regalia · 14/07/2024 21:01

Oh, can I ask a question (as a non-Brit) to all those of you who sing ‘God Save the King’? How long did it take you to remember to sing ‘King’ rather than ‘Queen’, and are some people still forgetting? Every time I’ve seen the England team singing the anthem, I’ve mentally gone ‘Oh, forgot QE2 is no more ’…

DogInATent · 14/07/2024 21:01

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Just in case GSTK wasn't enough of a dirge?

AWM - very moving, and great for a funeral, and I say that as an atheist.. but as an anthem?

Lisbeth50 · 14/07/2024 21:01

I'm sure Will Carling, when he was England rugby captain, tried to get I vow to thee my country used.

Livelovebehappy · 14/07/2024 21:00

Twodozenroses · 14/07/2024 20:56

many welsh (and I’m guessing Scottish and NI athletes) very much begrudge having GSTK played to represent them in British sports when it’s Englands anthem. So it works both ways

as a welsh person, I really don’t think I’ve jumped on your coat tails 😂

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All said tongue in cheek of course 🙂

Cinocino · 14/07/2024 20:59

Itsallfunngamesuntil · 14/07/2024 20:52

Thank you.

Some people simply do not understand the situation in NI

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Very much understand it and very much live it.
How anyone can take issue with me saying there are fanatics in NI is beyond me. It wouldn’t have any issues if there weren’t fanatics.

Tulipvase · 14/07/2024 20:59

Devonbabs · 14/07/2024 20:56

Can people please stop called for “Jerusalem” to be Englands national anthem. It has nothing to do with nationalism - it’s an inner/spiritual journey. It’s about Revolution to prioritise imagination and creativity. Even Parry got embarrassed enough to give it away.

The misuse of Blake’s words is an abomination!

My dad would have loved you!

Munter · 14/07/2024 20:59

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Itsallfunngamesuntil · 14/07/2024 20:59

Cinocino · 14/07/2024 20:47

Not ignorant at all.
Yes I would call the people who sing God Save their bonfires exactly that, fanatics.

‘a large portion of NI volunteered to fight in British wars ie there was no subscription’

This is not representative of the demographic of NI today.

‘A large proportion of Northern Ireland is Unionist’
Debatably not the largest given the makeup of the Assembly.

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There may be fanatics who sing it at bonfires. I am a Unionist and dont attend the bonfires. Neither are many many others. Those at bonfires tend to be under the loyalist umbrella (not always), rather than the larger Unionist umbrella.

The make up of the assembly is quite different to who voted for whom as many votes were split. So your point about the assembly is not valid.

Don't wish to derail this thread with chat about NI, but wish to state again GSTK is not sung only by fanatics....in fact far from it.

Buzzer3555 · 14/07/2024 20:59

Needmorelego · 14/07/2024 20:33

@DogInATent I'm not Spanish so I don't know their anthem.
The supporters sounded like they were singing something.

They're la la laying