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To have grudging respect for how Trump styled it out

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Ladyslip · 14/07/2024 18:15

I mean someone tried to murder him, he came very close to having died. He went through a terrifying experience and came out saying fight and raising his fist in defiance. I think he’s an odious man but despite that, I have to concede a nod to that.

Let’s face it, if this had happened to Obama and he’d responded in the same way we’d all be like ‘woah, he the man!’

Note. This is not a genuine AIBU. I’m confident in my position on this but know so many people have so polarized themselves that they would rather eat their own eyeballs than find any small compliment or recognition for someone they hate.

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Bakersdozens · 14/07/2024 19:18

GeraniumJenny · 14/07/2024 19:17

The truly brave man was the 50 year old behind him who jumped on top of his family and took the bullet meant for Trump.

This.

cardibach · 14/07/2024 19:17

Notaflippinclue · 14/07/2024 19:02

Narcissist/thick/idiot/odious, ooooh ladies calm down, defame him drag him through the courts and now assassination, I'm afraid it seems they can't stop him becoming president of the United States

He defiles himself.
He wouldn’t be ‘dragged’ through the courts if he’d stop breaking the law.
He’s vile, and assuming you are female he has nothing but contempt for you and openly wants to take away your rights.
All that said, why on earth would you want him to be president? Why would anyone?

GeraniumJenny · 14/07/2024 19:17

The truly brave man was the 50 year old behind him who jumped on top of his family and took the bullet meant for Trump.

saveforthat · 14/07/2024 19:16

I can't stand Trump but I did have a little moment thinking "Wow, he handled that quite well". Of course you duck if you are being shot at. I think I would be a quivering wreck if someone shot my ear

Rainbowsponge · 14/07/2024 19:15

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Oh come off it - had that been Starmer etc you wouldn’t be saying that.

The lefties have really discredited themselves with their reactions to this if I’m honest

I’m a lib dem voting, pro EU globalist and centrist, by the way, not a Trump supporter or a right wing populist. The politicians I admire come from across the spectrum - but they all have unshakable conviction in their beliefs, they don’t chop and change according to how palatable they find the subject.

Cardamomandlemons · 14/07/2024 19:15

I do remember thinking that he has incredible instincts for visual images.
I mean I despise what he stands for (and equally deplore political violence), but he does have an incredibly sharp instinct for the power of a visual image.
(I don't approve of this instinct. But it's impossible to ignore, it makes him dangerous).

Bakersdozens · 14/07/2024 19:15

Rainbowsponge · 14/07/2024 19:11

I think previously people assumed he was bluster, and that he wasn’t as hard as he made himself out to be… but I think he is now Hmm

seriously? I expect he was a jibbering wreck later that night - no disrespect, but that is normal - first a surge of adrenaline, then the reaction to adrenaline crash

Bakersdozens · 14/07/2024 19:13

cardibach · 14/07/2024 19:07

Projection much?
For what is worth I think Starmer would have done what training and protocol dictate rather than risking the lives of everyone around him.

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I think so too. And I would respect him far more for it

Rainbowsponge · 14/07/2024 19:11

I think previously people assumed he was bluster, and that he wasn’t as hard as he made himself out to be… but I think he is now Hmm

Eastcoastie · 14/07/2024 19:11

MooseAndSquirrelLoveFlannel · 14/07/2024 18:33

He shouted "fight" last time he uttered such words, the capitol was stormed by his mindless zombie fans.

Obama would have styled it out with grace and decorum. Not attempting to incite further violence by telling his fans to "fight".

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Do you think that Biden incited the shooting 8 days ago when he said this, '“I have one job, and that’s to beat Donald Trump... it’s time to put Trump in a bullseye” - or do mindless zombies only exist on the ring wing?

Ultimately, whatever Trump, Biden, anyone else says, that doesnt take away personal responsibility. I always used to get told as a child if XX told you to jump off a cliff would you do it? Its just the same. If someone says do something, its up to you to decide whether to follow through.

TorroFerney · 14/07/2024 19:11

Ladyslip · 14/07/2024 18:30

He sure did. Sorry you are so blinded by prejudice you can’t admit that.

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You want to watch the footage of the King (then Prince Charles ) getting shot at, the only tell he is in the slightest rattled is when he twiddles with his cuffs.

cardibach · 14/07/2024 19:10

SpudleyLass · 14/07/2024 18:52

But only for 4 more years, because after that, he won't be able to run for President again.

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Unless he changes the rules. I don’t trust him not to.

NoSuchThingAsTooManyDogs · 14/07/2024 19:10

I think his reaction was probably through shock and adrenaline but also wanting to show people that he was ok. It was a terrible thing to happen and you can't know how you'll react in a very bad situation like this until it happens. I wouldn't judge anyone's reaction in a high stress situation.

summeroccupation · 14/07/2024 19:10

Kai125 · 14/07/2024 19:08

Yup. He's an odious narcissistic vile human being who will bring big trouble to our world.

But as someone who has actually been shot at in real life, I can agree his response was incredible.

It's hilarious how the mumsnet mafia who have never been in a dangerous situation in their life, will still say he wasn't brave.

Yeah it was probably adrenaline and yeah very probably stupid but still fucking brave!

It is an iconic picture which will (sadly) serve him well.

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I've never been shot at but I have been in plenty of dangerous situations (including being held at knife point by a smack head)

I still think he's an odious little man who is stirring a country towards civil war.

MrsSchrute · 14/07/2024 19:10

Justcallmebebes · 14/07/2024 18:44

Well let's see you get shot in the head then and see how you react

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Firstly, let's see me get shot in the head?? What?
Secondly, however I reacted would be an automatic response, exactly like Trump. Nothing to be either proud or ashamed of.

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Ladyslip · 14/07/2024 19:10

RationalityIsHard · 14/07/2024 18:48

Trump thinking only about himself as usual. I guess you have to admire his single-mindedness and ability to recognise a good photo opp.

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This is rather my point.

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GingerScallop · 14/07/2024 19:09

Kinneddar · 14/07/2024 18:26

Really?? He was shot and left the stage quickly with his security. What makes him brave? He didn't do anything

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Leaving is protocol as security have to check if threat is ongoing and not risk other lives. His security are govt employees. But yes, odious stinky man

Poolstream · 14/07/2024 19:09

Sosorryliver · 14/07/2024 18:28

Obama was absolutely the man. I miss his presidency the world seemed much more optimistic.

He was certainly number 1 at killing civilians with drones.

Inmydreams88 · 14/07/2024 19:09

Didn’t he immediately duck down putting those behind him in the firing line?

Freeasabird76 · 14/07/2024 19:08

I'm of the opinion that he probably set it up himself,couldn't get better press than this.

Makeaiminggreatagain · 14/07/2024 19:08

So incredibly close. Someone was looking over him today. Wonder how he’s doing in private, it must be pretty sobering.

Kai125 · 14/07/2024 19:08

SpudleyLass · 14/07/2024 18:33

I agree OP.

If he hadn't turned his head at the precise second he did, he would have been killed.

To have walked away from that and still showed mental presence for his supporters, well that is going down in the history books, no matter what anybody says.

That is PRECISELY what makes him so dangerous.

Yup. He's an odious narcissistic vile human being who will bring big trouble to our world.

But as someone who has actually been shot at in real life, I can agree his response was incredible.

It's hilarious how the mumsnet mafia who have never been in a dangerous situation in their life, will still say he wasn't brave.

Yeah it was probably adrenaline and yeah very probably stupid but still fucking brave!

It is an iconic picture which will (sadly) serve him well.

cardibach · 14/07/2024 19:07

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Projection much?
For what is worth I think Starmer would have done what training and protocol dictate rather than risking the lives of everyone around him.

Justcallmebebes · 14/07/2024 19:06

Bakersdozens · 14/07/2024 19:00

most people would react instinctively, with adrenaline, the way Trump did, the point is, he should know better, he should have had training, and he should have adhered to it

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He did though, he dropped to the ground, exactly how he was trained to do and to be fair, no one knows how they would react in similar circumstances. And in his first speech from the hospital he thanked the SS and sent condolences to the injured and deceased and didn't mention his own injuries

You may hate him and disagree with his politics but surely you can have some compassion and give the guy a break. Why all the hate and sneering? It's vile