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To think my HOD is being a bit of a jobsworth?

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anniebolen · 14/07/2024 15:19

Hello,
I'll start with some context, I am a teacher, currently I work 2.5 days a week through a job share, my co-teacher and I get on really well and have been working together for years. We both have 2 children each and our children are the same ages (both have 4 and 1/almost 1 year olds). This year we are both coming back from maternity leave. My co-teacher works Monday, Wednesday morning and Friday, I do Tuesday, Wednesday afternoon and Friday.
This year we both have children starting school, her DD will start on the same Monday as we go back to work and my DS will start the Tuesday. Now obviously this means that if we both work our normal days we will miss our children's first day of school. We decided to jointly ask our head of department if he would mind us swapping the first 2 lessons each day so we can go to our children's first day of school. We have seen our timetable, we don't have Y7 in either slot and as we teach all our classes together it won't make any real difference. The HOD started last year while we were both on maternity leave, however our previous HOD was happy for us to sort between ourselves any swaps, the only time we utilised this was when our children's respective nursery Christmas plays fell on the opposite days.
I have asked why he has said no and he made it clear he doesn't want to mess with the timetable while everyone is settling.
AIBU to think he is being a bit of a jobsworth? Should I challenge him again or accept that I'll miss DS's first day of school and that is part of the parcel of being a teacher?

OP posts:
SuziQuinto · 14/07/2024 23:40

WindsurfingDreams · 14/07/2024 23:34

I"m as academic as they come, I loved school and loved learning but I always needed a couple of days to warm back up after the summer. A warm up lesson or two makes far more sense

No. They have to have proper structured learning from the first day back.
I'm sure you're very successful, but the sooner children get back into learning, the better.
Anyway. Not the point of the thread, just surprised. If I was the line manager, I'd ok the swap.

DefyingGravitas · 14/07/2024 23:39

SuziQuinto · 14/07/2024 23:37

@DefyingGravitas ???
I never said "why on earth don't you do proper work?" !! How on earth did you read that?
I have no idea what's going on here.
I am a teacher. I know how hard people work.

Here you go.

To think my HOD is being a bit of a jobsworth?
SuziQuinto · 14/07/2024 23:37

@DefyingGravitas ???
I never said "why on earth don't you do proper work?" !! How on earth did you read that?
I have no idea what's going on here.
I am a teacher. I know how hard people work.

WindsurfingDreams · 14/07/2024 23:34

SuziQuinto · 14/07/2024 23:20

Why on earth don't you do proper work with your yr8 class on the first day? Where I work, and where I have always worked, we do proper lessons from day one!

I"m as academic as they come, I loved school and loved learning but I always needed a couple of days to warm back up after the summer. A warm up lesson or two makes far more sense

SuziQuinto · 14/07/2024 23:32

WindsurfingDreams · 14/07/2024 23:32

He's an idiot. A little bit of flexibility goes a long way. The fact is you both sorted the solution, so all he had to do was agree to it.

I agree. Goodwill is worth a lot.

DefyingGravitas · 14/07/2024 23:32

SuziQuinto · 14/07/2024 23:30

Good grief. That's something of an over reaction! 😂touched a nerve?!
We have to teach proper lessons from day 1 of term. Oh, yes I am a brilliant teacher in a brilliant school 😂😂

Oh I’m so sorry, it was the irrelevant comment and the lead with ‘why on earth don’t you do proper work.’ I thought you were trying to be super condescending but I can see from the tone of your reply that you definitely didn’t mean to be and I’m completely wrong as I’m sure people often are.

WindsurfingDreams · 14/07/2024 23:32

He's an idiot. A little bit of flexibility goes a long way. The fact is you both sorted the solution, so all he had to do was agree to it.

SuziQuinto · 14/07/2024 23:32

I think your HOD is unreasonable. I'd let job sharers swap, in fact I've done so in the past.
I'd expect proper lessons from day one, though, whoever took them.

SuziQuinto · 14/07/2024 23:30

DefyingGravitas · 14/07/2024 23:28

Oh it sounds like you’re the best teacher ever at the best school ever and I bet there’s none of those pesky job shares or reasonable flexible work situations going on!

Good grief. That's something of an over reaction! 😂touched a nerve?!
We have to teach proper lessons from day 1 of term. Oh, yes I am a brilliant teacher in a brilliant school 😂😂

DefyingGravitas · 14/07/2024 23:28

SuziQuinto · 14/07/2024 23:20

Why on earth don't you do proper work with your yr8 class on the first day? Where I work, and where I have always worked, we do proper lessons from day one!

Oh it sounds like you’re the best teacher ever at the best school ever and I bet there’s none of those pesky job shares or reasonable flexible work situations going on!

SuziQuinto · 14/07/2024 23:20

anniebolen · 14/07/2024 15:30

I'm not sure why that is relevant?
On the Monday it is a Y8 group, so we will not be starting any real work, just getting to know you activities which either of us can do.
Tuesday is the same Y8 group and some Y10s who will have been in on the Monday and already know both of us.
Why does it matter which one leads those early lessons where no real work is getting done anyway?

Why on earth don't you do proper work with your yr8 class on the first day? Where I work, and where I have always worked, we do proper lessons from day one!

echt · 14/07/2024 23:17

I'm amazed this is the HOD's decision, surely it should be the HT?

MercutiosFiddlestick · 14/07/2024 23:11

I’m a secondary teacher. I’m allowed the morning to take my DC to his first day of school. I would have requested the first week of term off as parental leave if it had been a problem. However, at my school, SLT know a little bit of flexibility like this goes a long way in getting staff’s goodwill.

And, yes, this means that two of my classes will have a ‘sub’ for possibly their first lesson with me. Whilst not ideal, my child’s first day of primary school is more important to me than your child’s first day at secondary school. Sorry! I’d accept the situation for my children if the shoe was on the other foot too. Teachers are also parents who don’t want to miss all of their DC’s school milestones (and we miss a LOT!)

Fairydustandsparklylights · 14/07/2024 23:00

Yes he’s being a jobsworth. I would speak to HR. Our school would approve this, no problem… which is why it has loyal staff. It also means that when many people are asked to step in to cover other staff for illness / trips etc. (against union guidelines), people do just do it. It’s much better for the kids to have actual teachers covering their lessons as opposed to random agency staff. It works both ways.

imnotthatkindofmum · 14/07/2024 22:59

Yes he's being a knob your classes will be fine. It's just one swap. The amount of supply in secondary schools atm means having a different teacher is hardly an unusual event and they'll be seeing you again anyway.

My HOD and my 2 previous ones would absolutely accommodate this.

Personally I would check in with your SLT line manager and go above his head. It's difficult enough accommodating your kids needs as a teacher. This is such a simple solution which will not affect him in anyway.

For one of my kids first day I had cover because why would I miss that??

A colleague had a whole day off for her kids sports day on Friday.

Teachers are leaving the profession in higher numbers than ever. What's wrong with a bit of give and take?!

DefyingGravitas · 14/07/2024 22:45

He’s being a jobsworth. The stupid thing here is, this would be an easy win for him to give you something you’re asking for, that requires nothing from him and has no impact. Then he could be the good guy for free and say no to things he doesn’t want to give in the future. But instead, he’s flexing his muscles. At least you know where you stand and the kind of manager you work for.

Also bet if he’s got kids that his wife is the one doing the lion’s share of the childcare.

EatTheGnome · 14/07/2024 22:39

I think I'd be tempted to put in a formal request for unpaid leave for that week and make reference in the application that you are requesting it, as per your right under the law, as your informal request was denied, despite a workable solution being put on the table. Think about how you word it.

It won't be approved but it will give HoD some paperwork to do and, woth any luck, when they have realise they have to put pen to paper and put their name by the decusion, where the acknowledgement of the first refusal will need to be justified in writing, you may find HoD changes their tune. If not, then you may be able to escalate the request to someone who will give HoD enough of a raised eyebrow that they backtrack.

Tristar15 · 14/07/2024 22:29

He’s being unreasonable. I was an HOD and had two staff who job shared, I had no problem with then swapping days occasionally if they needed too. The alternative is that you put in a LOA request. See how he likes having no teacher when it’s approved. Honestly, I’d speak to his line manager, it doesn’t sound like he knows how to manage staff effectively.

Twodozenroses · 14/07/2024 22:27

I think he’s being a jobsworth. I used to have a job share (primary) and our head was happy for us to sort any swaps between us. At the time I didn’t have kids but my job share did and I was more than happy to swap days so she could see them in plays, sports day etc. it made no difference to the pupils. We appreciated the head letting us do this and so it was all in all a good working relationship.

AloeVerity · 14/07/2024 22:24

Just thinking about this. The next time one of is off sick, and the first person the HOD would call is the other one as cover - that is dead in the water now. What an absolute bellend. Talk about cutting off his nose to spite his face.

lanthanum · 14/07/2024 18:41

It used to be that the difference between "jobshare" and "part-time, happening to share the classes" was that jobshare partners were responsible for covering the job between them. I used to work with a jobshare pair. One was married to a farmer, which meant term-time worked better for holidays, and the other had a child in private school, which meant it was helpful to have time off when their term was shorter. They just sorted it between themselves.

I don't think it's essential to be there for your child's first day, but I do think your HoD is being a jobsworth in not allowing the swap.

Alalalalalongalalalalalonglonglilong · 14/07/2024 18:23

He is being v unreasonable. He has now caused unnecessary stress and resentment on day 1, literally. Very foolish IMO.

Querty123456 · 14/07/2024 18:20

I’m wondering if they didn’t really understand your proposal? If they thought you were asking for external cover then I could see why they might object. Additionally, perhaps they asked the other teacher and they weren’t happy with the arrangement but found it difficult to explain that to you?

Willsean · 14/07/2024 17:58

Kai125 · 14/07/2024 17:34

Yeah your Head is being twat but PLEASE it's not just bloody teachers who may have to miss their kid's first day at school.

It's all "part and parcel" of working!!

It might be, but if you can book the time off as annual leave, or use some flexible working hours to start late, or work a different shift that week you're much more likely to be able to arrange it that you can go.

Teachers literally have to be in front of their own class when their timetabled lesson is happening (which is why the OP's HOD'a refusal is so ludicrous in this situation, as it would be the kids' normal teacher for the same proportion of time!) It's not like a teacher can bring the kids in during the holiday or that evening to get the lesson done and then let them stay home Monday period 1, or Saturday's teachers might be willing to swap etc.

Littlemisscapable · 14/07/2024 17:52

renthead · 14/07/2024 17:17

Your HOD is being absolutely ridiculous. What a knobhead. This is a perfectly reasonable swap which won't make any difference to anyone.

This. God this is why so many teachers are leaving. Its a big day it only happens once. He is being soo unreasonable.