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To think my HOD is being a bit of a jobsworth?

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anniebolen · 14/07/2024 15:19

Hello,
I'll start with some context, I am a teacher, currently I work 2.5 days a week through a job share, my co-teacher and I get on really well and have been working together for years. We both have 2 children each and our children are the same ages (both have 4 and 1/almost 1 year olds). This year we are both coming back from maternity leave. My co-teacher works Monday, Wednesday morning and Friday, I do Tuesday, Wednesday afternoon and Friday.
This year we both have children starting school, her DD will start on the same Monday as we go back to work and my DS will start the Tuesday. Now obviously this means that if we both work our normal days we will miss our children's first day of school. We decided to jointly ask our head of department if he would mind us swapping the first 2 lessons each day so we can go to our children's first day of school. We have seen our timetable, we don't have Y7 in either slot and as we teach all our classes together it won't make any real difference. The HOD started last year while we were both on maternity leave, however our previous HOD was happy for us to sort between ourselves any swaps, the only time we utilised this was when our children's respective nursery Christmas plays fell on the opposite days.
I have asked why he has said no and he made it clear he doesn't want to mess with the timetable while everyone is settling.
AIBU to think he is being a bit of a jobsworth? Should I challenge him again or accept that I'll miss DS's first day of school and that is part of the parcel of being a teacher?

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Girasole02 · 02/08/2024 13:04

A little goodwill goes a long way.

LottieMary · 02/08/2024 12:35

I think this is your heads decision rather than the hod? As hod I’d have no issue but also no authority to authorise it. Maybe that’s been made clear on mat leave or maybe your old hod just did without checking.

Meredusoleil · 02/08/2024 12:30

Shinyandnew1 · 02/08/2024 08:42

it's not just bloody teachers who may have to miss their kid's first day at school.

No, of course not, and they can start threads if they are cross if their annual leave request has been denied, if they want to.

OP, your HoD is being a jobsworth-it’s things like this that are making people leave teaching next, right and centre-there is just no need for it, other than micromanagement. Can you go to your head instead?

Isn't the expression 'left, right and centre'?

Shinyandnew1 · 02/08/2024 09:19

I think, in the current climate where many other people’s jobs have adapted into very flexible or remote roles allowing parents much more scope to pick up/drop off at school (alongside a huge retention problem in teaching), it is unreasonable of the HoD not to agree this. If you piss off the few remaining teachers we have left, who will we have left to teach our children?!

I was once told by a (job sharing) optician, that teachers shouldn’t be allowed to jobshare as children deserved to have just one teacher. This really annoyed me! Interestingly, in my year group that year, both full time teachers were off for long periods with stress and had weeks of different supply/TAs and cover whereas the class taught by me/my jobshare partner didn’t have a day off all year.

TeaGinandFags · 02/08/2024 09:12

Make your case to the head.

Abuse by decision.

kirkandpetal · 02/08/2024 09:01

Perhaps the HOD is worried that this will become a common occurrence? That swapping days for X, Y and Z when suits (and I know that's not the case but he/she doesn't know you as you've been out in mar leave) will become the norm.

Their concern might be that the other staff/ kids won't know who is in on what days and that can be a bit unnerving.

Just putting another viewpoint out there though, but I agree that it does seem unreasonable.

Meadowwild · 02/08/2024 08:55

itistooeasy · 14/07/2024 15:27

subbing in for your usual spot

Yeah but hardly unsettling for the pupils!

TMIteen · 02/08/2024 08:47

Put in a formal leave of absence request. It’s be approved at my school depending on previous absence levels. Then they’ll have to find cover for you anyway!
Being a teacher does not mean you should miss out on life.

Shinyandnew1 · 02/08/2024 08:42

it's not just bloody teachers who may have to miss their kid's first day at school.

No, of course not, and they can start threads if they are cross if their annual leave request has been denied, if they want to.

OP, your HoD is being a jobsworth-it’s things like this that are making people leave teaching next, right and centre-there is just no need for it, other than micromanagement. Can you go to your head instead?

olympicsrock · 02/08/2024 08:41

Ask the principal/ head teacher

JMSA · 02/08/2024 08:34

YANBU.

RayWinstone · 02/08/2024 08:24

SuziQuinto · 14/07/2024 23:20

Why on earth don't you do proper work with your yr8 class on the first day? Where I work, and where I have always worked, we do proper lessons from day one!

I consider the setting of expectations and the establishing of routines not only absolutely vital at the start of the year but very much a 'proper lesson'. I think that's what the OP meant.

RayWinstone · 02/08/2024 08:18

Total knob jobsworth. Knobsworth if you like. I'd definitely politely challenge him about this

Interestingly, I had a very similar jobshare set up and it worked brilliantly for many years.

I also learnt towards the end of my time teaching to not ask for things like this but to inform - rather than saying 'do you mind if...?', I'd say 'just to let you know we are going to swap these days blah blah'. Managers are less likely to come back to you if you go in with a statement of fact. They can, of course, pull rank if they want to but I found they usually didn't. Give it a go next time - it works really well.

ienjoyeatingcake · 02/08/2024 08:08

anniebolen · 14/07/2024 15:19

Hello,
I'll start with some context, I am a teacher, currently I work 2.5 days a week through a job share, my co-teacher and I get on really well and have been working together for years. We both have 2 children each and our children are the same ages (both have 4 and 1/almost 1 year olds). This year we are both coming back from maternity leave. My co-teacher works Monday, Wednesday morning and Friday, I do Tuesday, Wednesday afternoon and Friday.
This year we both have children starting school, her DD will start on the same Monday as we go back to work and my DS will start the Tuesday. Now obviously this means that if we both work our normal days we will miss our children's first day of school. We decided to jointly ask our head of department if he would mind us swapping the first 2 lessons each day so we can go to our children's first day of school. We have seen our timetable, we don't have Y7 in either slot and as we teach all our classes together it won't make any real difference. The HOD started last year while we were both on maternity leave, however our previous HOD was happy for us to sort between ourselves any swaps, the only time we utilised this was when our children's respective nursery Christmas plays fell on the opposite days.
I have asked why he has said no and he made it clear he doesn't want to mess with the timetable while everyone is settling.
AIBU to think he is being a bit of a jobsworth? Should I challenge him again or accept that I'll miss DS's first day of school and that is part of the parcel of being a teacher?

He's being such a iobsworth!!

Muchtoomuchtodo · 02/08/2024 08:04

I think they’re being incredibly unreasonable. Are they fairly new to the role? I’m not a teacher but a bit of flexibility and understanding goes a long way in most jobs to keeping up morale and goodwill amongst staff.

Would your HOD notice if you just went ahead and did this? I don’t think I’d be brave enough after having my request turned down but if they’re not very present it could work. Or be sick, but you’d probably need more than one day to pull that one off without looking as suspicious…..

Spacecrispsnack · 02/08/2024 07:56

Your mistake was asking for permission - I’d have just gone ahead with it and then asked for forgiveness of anyone actually noticed!

Seaglassandchampagne · 02/08/2024 07:53

Yeah, I think this is a bit rubbish. He probably doesn’t want to be seen as lax at quite an early point in the role but it really doesn’t sound like there would be a detrimental impact from you swapping so it’s a bit daft.

furusato · 02/08/2024 07:50

"Women in their 30s are, numerically, the biggest single group leaving teaching, according to new analysis seen exclusively by the BBC.
More than 9,000 of them left teaching in England 2022-23, compared with just over 3,400 men of a similar age.
In a report called Missing Mothers, researchers urge more family-friendly policies to halt the exodus."

furusato · 02/08/2024 07:49

Saw this today and thought of this thread www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c51yzv95wg9o

itistooeasy · 15/07/2024 12:53

exactly
i’m with the HOD
two members of staff in a job share
both their first day back in after a year y
and first day back for the school

and they want to ease in to their first class and change already

SuziQuinto · 15/07/2024 10:50

I'm inclined to agree, @muggart . You know how prescriptive learning is nowadays, with targets and outcomes.

muggart · 15/07/2024 10:48

SuziQuinto · 15/07/2024 09:42

I'm just wondering if the HoD responded negatively to the idea of lose "warm up/getting to know you" which may have indicated a certain casual approach, which may not be the case.
They could easily have swapped, I would allow it, but if the school is following the enacted curriculum, he will want to be assured that proper lesson planning is in place.
That is all.

I think this is a good point actually.

In the first post the OP sounded totally reasonable but if she presented it to the HoD like she did in later posts, implying they weren't going to hit the ground running, maybe that's why he pushed back.

SuziQuinto · 15/07/2024 09:42

I'm just wondering if the HoD responded negatively to the idea of lose "warm up/getting to know you" which may have indicated a certain casual approach, which may not be the case.
They could easily have swapped, I would allow it, but if the school is following the enacted curriculum, he will want to be assured that proper lesson planning is in place.
That is all.

MistressIggi · 15/07/2024 09:37

I don't know what the OP would be planning, but my definition of warm up work would be getting to know the children, helping them gel as a class, introductions to the subject, making classroom rules and expectations clear. All very useful stuff.

SuziQuinto · 14/07/2024 23:41

DefyingGravitas · 14/07/2024 23:39

Here you go.

The children should do proper work, of course they should.
I'm sure those teachers do, bur claiming it's not really an important start doesn't help their argument.